>> OHIO PRIMARY --WHAT DO THE RESULTS MEAN?

AND DAVE YOST CALLS IT QUITS.

> >> THE OHIO PRIMARY --WHAT DO > >> THE OHIO PRIMARY --WHAT DO THE RESULTS MEAN?

AND, DAVE YOST CALLS IT QUITS.

> >> WELCOME TO "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD. "

I'M AMY JURAVICH, SITTING IN FOR MIKE THOMPSON THIS WEEK.

OHIO'S PRIMARY DID NOT HAVE MUCH DRAMA --CERTAINLY NOT THE DRAMA INDIANA HAD --BUT, IT PRODUCED SOME INTERESTING RESULTS.

AND, OF COURSE, IT PRODUCED CANDIDATES FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION.

LATER IN THE SHOW, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE POTENTIAL MUSICAL CHAIRS AT THE STATEHOUSE, AS ATTORNEY GENERAL DAVID YOST RESIGNS.

BUT, FIRST, THE RACE FOR OHIO'S GOVERNOR IS SET.

NO SURPRISES --DEMOCRAT AMY ACTON WAS UNOPPOSED, AND REPUBLICAN VIVEK RAMASWAMY WON EASILY.

THE TECH BILLIONAIRE GOT JUST MORE THAN 82% OF THE VOTE, COMPARED TO THE NEARLY 18% WON BY CONSERVATIVE ACTIVIST CASEY PUTSCH.

SO, LAURA, WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF CASEY PUTSCH?

DID HE DO BETTER AGAINST RAMASWAMY?

>> MAY BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER, HE DID BETTER IN THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE STATE, SOUTHEAST APPELLATION AREA, AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE INDICATIVE THAT, YOU KNOW, VOTERS IN THAT AREA ARE NOT REAL KEEN ON A PERSON OF COLOR WITH THE NAME, "RAMASWAMY" AS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE.

RAMASWAMY HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO A LOT OF RACIST ATTACKS BECAUSE OF WHO HE IS AND THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN INDICATIVE OF WHY PUTSCH GOT ALMOST 18% OF THE VOTE.

>> WELL, TERRY, CASEY PUTSCH IS ENCOURAGING HIS SUPPORTERS TO NOT VOTE FOR RAMASWAMY AND LAST WEEK ON THIS SHOW, FORMER HOUSE REP GENE KREBS, WAS ON THE SHOW LAST WEEK AND HE SAID FROM THE PEOPLE HE HAS BEEN TALKING TO, GENE KREBS SAID, THAT IF HE GET ANYTHING OVER 14% IN THE PRIMARY, IT WOULD BE GOING TO RAMASWAMY.

>> WITH RESPECT TO JANE, HIS LAST PREDICTION FOR THE GOVERNOR'S RACE DIDN'T HAPPEN.

I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL REPUBLICAN PARTY, THERE ARE ALWAYS OUTLIERS THAT WILL GET 15, 20%, SO I DON'T THINK IT IS THAT BIG OF A DEAL AND ALSO, THIS PRIMARY, IT WAS A PRETTY BLAND TURNOUT.

I DON'T THINK YOU CAN READ TOO MUCH ON THE PRIMARY.

BASICALLY, IT IS ON TO THE GENERAL AND WE STILL HAVE SIX MONTHS TO GO AND THERE WILL BE A LOT OF NEGATIVE TV, A LOT OF NASTINESS, AND THE PRIMARY IS GOING TO BE LONG FORGOTTEN AND WE WILL GET TO THE MAIN EVENTS OF GOVERNOR REAL QUICKLY.

>> TERRY, ARE YOU SURPRISED, THOUGH, THAT HE GOT 17 1/2%?

>> NOT REALLY.

THE SECRETARY OF STATE CAMP ONLY GOT 70% SO IN TERMS OF A REPUBLICAN BASE, RAMASWAMY'S NUMBERS PERFORMED PRETTY WELL.

>> AND MORGAN LOOK LET'S TALK ABOUT AMY ACTON, HOW ARE THE DEMOCRATS HERE, TO SWING OHIO FROM RED TO PURPLE IS?

>> I THINK THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF HOPE, PEOPLE WERE HAPPY WITH THE TURNOUT, WE WERE SHOWING GOOD NUMBERS.

I THINK PART OF THAT WAS DUE TO, WE DO HAVE, IN FRANKEN COUNTY --WHERE IT IS IMPORTANT WE DO WELL --SOME COMPETITIVE PRIMARIES, WERE DRAWING FOLKS OUT.

BUT, LOOK, IT IS GOING TO BE A FLOG, I AGREE WITH TERRY THAT THE GAMES ARE JUST BEGINNING, BUT I BELIEVE THAT AMY ACTON AND HER TEAM HAVE TO BE PRETTY HAPPY WITH GETTING TO THIS NEXT STAGE AND BEING ABLE TO FOCUS ON THE REAL FIGHT.

>> YEAH, AND JAKE, HOW EXPENSIVE IS THIS GOING TO END UP BEING?

RAMASWAMY HAS MORE MONEY THAN AMY ACTON IN GENERAL, BUT CAN AMY ACTON RAISE ENOUGH TO BEAT HIM?

>> YEAH, I MEAN, I AM A LITTLE BIT MORE SKEPTICAL OF THE VALUE, I DON'T THINK HAVING MORE MONEY THAN ONE PERSON IS ENOUGH TO WIN THE RACE, YOU NEED TO HAVE MONEY TO HIT THE MEDIA IN OHIO, BUT AMY ACTON WILL NEVER HAVE AS MUCH MONEY AS VIVEK RAMASWAMY, HE IS WORTH AN ESTIMATED $2 BILLION.

I THINK IT'S MORE HITTING A COMPETITIVE THRESHOLD.

>> MORGAN, HOW DO THE DEMOCRATS HANDLE THIS RACE?

NOW THAT WE ARE THROUGH THE PRIMARY.

AMY ACTON DIDN'T HAVE AN OPPONENT, BUT THEY GOT TO SIT BACK AND WAIT, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO SPEND ANY MONEY EARLY, SO WHAT DO THEY DO OVER THE NEXT SEVEN MONTHS?

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> CONTINUING TO DO SOME OF WHAT THEY DONE, WHICH IS PAINTING VIVEK AS NOT BEING THAT COMMITTED TO SOLVING THE PROBLEMS OF OHIOANS AND AMY ACTON HAS THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING AN OUTSIDER, SHE IS NOT A POLITICIAN, ALTHOUGH VIVEK IS ALSO NOT A POLITICIAN.

I THINK SHE HAS A PERSONAL STORY THAT A LOT OF OHIOANS CAN CONNECT WITH, BUT IT WILL BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, PRETTY SPECIFIC, IF SHE CAN, ABOUT HOW, EXACTLY, IS SHE GOING TO TRY TO BRING DOWN PRICES AND HOW EXACTLY IS SHE GOING TO ADDRESS THE HEALTHCARE ISSUES THAT OHIOANS ARE FACING?

BUT, CONTINUING TO PUT THIS VIVEK RAMASWAMY IN, NOT REALLY FOR OHIO, TYING HIM TO PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO IS ALSO NOT VERY POPULAR RIGHT NOW, WILL ALSO BE A KEY PART OF THE STRATEGY.

>> TERRY, WHAT YOU MAKE OF WHAT LAURA SAID EARLIER, WHEN SHE SAID THAT RAMASWAMY HAS FACED SOME RACIST REMARKS?

HOW DO YOU THINK THAT WILL PLAY IN OHIO IN THE GENERAL ELECTION?

>> IN REALITY, WE WILL SHIFT GEARS QUICKLY BECAUSE PEOPLE KNOW GOVERNOR IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE THEY WANTS THE ROAD CLEARED, THEY WANT THINGS TO RUN SAFELY, THEY WANT THE OTHER OPERATIONS TO HAPPEN, AND I THINK THIS CAMPAIGN THIS FALL IS GOING TO BOOST THAT TURNOUT, BECAUSE BOTH SIDES HAVE TURNOUT CHALLENGES IN TERMS OF GETTING THEIR BASE OUT.

HISTORICALLY, IN RECENT 20 YEARS IN OHIO EXCEPT '08 AND '12 WHEN OBAMA WAS AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET, THAT MOTIVATED YOUNG PEOPLE AND MINORITIES IN URBAN AREAS.

CAN THE DEMOCRATS GET THEIR BASE EXCITED?

BECAUSE TRUMP, GOOD OR BAD, ON BOTH SIDES, IS NOT ON THE BALLOT.

SO, IT'S ABOUT TURNOUT AND IT'S ALSO ABOUT MESSAGE BECAUSE DR.

AMY IS GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER FOR THE PROMISES SHE HAS MADE FOR K-12 EDUCATION, DAY CARE, IT WILL BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS.

HOW DO YOU PAY FOR THAT?

DO YOU INCREASE TAXES TO FUND IT?

> >> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT TOPIC.

THERE WAS EVEN LESS DRAMA IN THE PRIMARY FOR U. S. SENATE.

INCUMBNET JON HUSTED RAN UNOPPOSED IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY.

IN THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, FORMER SENATOR SHERROD BROWN EASILY DEFEATED RON KINCAID.

BROWN GOT 90% OF THE DEMOCRATIC VOTE.

NOW, BROWN AND HUSTED SQUARE OFF IN A RACE THAT COULD DECIDE WHICH PARTY CONTROLS THE SENATE.

MORGAN, THIS SENATE RACE IS VERY IMPORTANT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

I MEAN, EYES WILL BE ON OHIO, IT IS GOING TO BE A BIG DEAL.

IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY CLOSE RACE, I FEEL.

I MEAN, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU EXPECTING TO GET POURED INTO OHIO FOR THIS RACE?

>> OH, UNGODLY AMOUNTS OF MONEY, I THINK, ARE ALREADY BEING PUT --OR, COMMITTED TO THIS RACE.

BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN INTERESTING RACE, TOO, BECAUSE IT'S AN UNKNOWN QUALITY ENTIRELY, SHERROD BROWN SAID, "I HAVE BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK FOR A MINUTE IN OHIO POLITICS," BUT I THINK I WILL PICK UP ON THE TURNOUT POINT, THAT WILL BE IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT WILL BE SUCH A CLOSE RACE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF THIRD-PARTY CANDIDATES, TURNOUT AND OFFERING EXAMPLES FOR CONSTITUENCY WILL BE KEY, HERE.

FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE RACES THAT SEEMS KIND OF RELEVANT AND INTERESTING THIS PRIMARY CYCLE WAS IN CENTRAL OHIO AND IN A FEW OTHER AREAS, ADAM MILLER VERSUS DON WINTER, THAT RACE WHERE THERE WAS AN UPSET, THERE, AND IT SEEMED LIKE A LOT OF IT WAS DUE TO TURNOUT FROM THOSE COMMUNITIES, SO WHAT ARE THESE POCKETS OF TURNOUT THAT WE CAN DRIVE POTENTIALLY NEW VOTERS TO VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT?

I THINK IT WILL BE VERY KEY, ESPECIALLY ON ISSUES LIKE FOREIGN WARS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT FOLKS ARE UNHAPPY ABOUT.

>> AND TERRY, WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SEEING ADS FROM BOTH SIDES RELATED TO THE SENATE RACE, WE HAVE SEEN ADS POURING IN, POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE, WE HAVE SEEN BOTH.

WHAT ARE YOU EXPECTING, HERE?

>> WE WILL SEE A LOT ON TV, LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN '24, YOU CAN SPEND HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, BUT IF YOUR MESSAGE ISN'T MEANINGFUL OR IT IS TOO NASTY OR TOO NEGATIVE, OR IT GOES OVER PEOPLE'S HEADS -- AND I THINK THE JUXTAPOSITION TO WATCH IS HUSTED, EVEN THOUGH HE IS THE SENATOR, HE LOOKS LIKE THE OUTSIDER BECAUSE HE IS YOUNGER AND HASN'T BEEN IN CONGRESS, AS SHERROD BROWN HAS BEEN, FOR DECADES, AND DECADES, AND DECADES.

SO, IT IS A MATTER OF, WHO WAS THE OUTSIDER AND WHO IS THE INSIDER?

BECAUSE THE ROLES ARE KIND OF REVERSED, BUT AGAIN, JON HUSTED LOOKS AND ACTS YOUNGER, AND HE HASN'T BEEN IN D. C. FOR THAT LONG.

>> YEAH, JAKE, LET'S TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, HUSTED IS OBVIOUSLY YOUNGER THAN PRESIDENT TRUMP FIVE, THERE IS A LOT OF TALK IN ESPECIALLY CONGRESS ABOUT YOUNGER PEOPLE, NEWER PEOPLE.

IS THIS GOING TO HURT SHERROD BROWN?

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED IN MAINE, THE GOVERNOR DROPPED OUT OF THE PRIMARY, THE GOVERNOR OF MAINE, SHE WAS 78 AND FELT LIKE SHE COULD BEAT A 41-YEAR-OLD WORCESTER FARMER, SO NOW THIS OYSTER FARMER IS GOING TO TAKE ON SUSAN COLLINS.

TELL ME ABOUT THE AGE THING.

WHAT DOES BROWN HAVE TO DO WITH, HERE?

>> I THINK IT IS LESS ABOUT AGE, AGE IS JUST A NUMBER, BUT IT IS A CERTAIN VITALITY.

LIKE, BERNIE SANDERS, I DON'T KNOW HOW COLD HE IS --HE IS OLD --AND I SAY, HE CAN STILL LIGHT UP A CROWD, HE CAN DRAW BIG CROWDS AND LIGHT UP ROOMS.

SO, I DON'T THINK IT IS AS SIMPLE AS AGE, BUT ONE THING I NOTICED, JON HUSTED HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND OXYGEN SAYING, PRESIDENT TRUMP FIVE HAS BEEN IN OFFICE SINCE I WAS A BABY, IT'S TIME TO GET HIM OUT.

JON HUSTED --JON HUSTED WAS THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, IN OHIO.

FOR A LONG TIME.

HE IS NOT SOME BUSINESSMAN, OUTSIDER POLITICIAN WHO JUST SWEPT INTO OFFICE FOR A CHANGE.

HE --I DON'T SAY THIS DESPAIRINGLY -- >> BUT, HE'S NOT AN OYSTER FARMER.

YEAH, MORGAN, YOU WANTED TO JUMP IN, THERE?

>> JON HUSTED IS THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT, HE WAS RAISED BY THE REPUBLICAN ESTABLISHMENT, SO DIFFERENT FROM A GRAM PARTNER SITUATION WHO IS RAILING AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC ESTABLISHMENT.

I THINK IT WILL BE TOUGH FOR HIM, GETTING TO THE TURNOUT POINT, WILL REPUBLICANS IN OHIO BE AS EXCITED TO TURNOUT FOR A GUY WHO WAS AROUND, WHO WAS PART OF THE OLD SCHOOL?

AND HOW DOES THAT INTERSECT, AS WELL, WITH VIVEK RAMASWAMY'S MESSAGE?

AND AGAIN, HE IS CURRENTLY TIED TO THE POLICIES OF THIS ADMINISTRATION THAT ARE DEEPLY UNPOPULAR.

>> PEOPLE ARE MAD AT CONGRESS, BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS, SO IT IS KIND OF YOUR LOCAL OFFICIALS CLOSER TO YOU THAT YOU LIKE BETTER.

IT'S THE NATIONAL PEOPLE THAT PEOPLE ARE ANGRY WITH ON BOTH SIDES.

>> BUT, HUSTED IS IN THERE NOW, ARE THEY MAD AT HUSTED?

>> HUSTED IS IN THERE NOW, BUT THE PERCEPTION IS THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP FIVE HAS BEEN IN THERE FOREVER.

>> BUT, HE'S NOT IN THERE NOW.

>> THAT IS A TECHNICAL THING, A LOT OF DETAILS DON'T SEE THAT HAPPEN.

>> LAURA?

>> THESE INSIDERS, THEY HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR DECADES, THEY CAN PAY EACH OTHER AS THE OUTSIDER, OR THE INSIDER, OR WHATEVER.

I THINK, WHEN JON HUSTED WAS APPOINTED BY GOVERNOR DeWINE TO THE U. S. SENATE, HE PLEDGED TO SUPPORT TRUMP'S AGENDA VERY FORCEFULLY.

AND THAT COULD END UP KIND OF HARMING HIM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT TRUMP'S UNPOPULARITY IS GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE IN THIS CAMPAIGN.

>> AND LAURA, I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT SHERROD BROWN VERSUS BERNIE MORENO FROM A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, I MEAN, THAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST EXPENSIVE RACES IN THE HISTORY OF THE SENATE.

WHO IS GOING TO --YOU KNOW, WHO IS GOING TO DO A BETTER JOB WITH THE MONEY, HERE, IN THIS RACE?

>> I KNOW THAT BOTH SIDES, THEY HAVE --I THINK ONE SIDE SAID THEY ARE COMMITTING, LIKE, $79 MILLION TO --I THINK THAT'S ON THE REPUBLICAN SIDE.

AND THE DEMOCRAT SIDE HAS COMMITTED, LIKE, $50 MILLION.

SO, THAT'S $120 MILLION RIGHT OFF THE TOP FROM OUTSIDE ENTITIES, NOT INCLUDING WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO RAISE WITHIN THEIR OWN CAMPAIGNS.

>> THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD THERE, TOO, IS IN THE BERNIE MORENO-SHERROD BROWN CRYPTO PLAYED A PRETTY BIG ROLE, WE SAW THIS LEAD THE SHERROD BROWN --THE SPOKESPERSON FOR SHERROD BROWN SAID A STATEMENT THAT MADE IT SEEM LIKE HE WOULDN'T BE AS AGGRESSIVE AGAINST CRYPTO AS HE WAS BEFORE, AND I THINK A. I. IS THE CRYPTO -- [ LAUGHTER ] THIS YEARS CRYPTO, IN TERMS OF HOW THEY ARE ORGANIZING OUTSIDE MONEY, TO THAT POINT.

SO, AGAIN, INTERESTING TO SEE HOW BOTH OF THESE GUYS ARE GOING TO THREAD THAT NEEDLE IN A STATE WHERE PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO BAN DATA CENTERS.

JUST A FEW A.I., HOW THEY FIGURE OUT THAT MESSAGING.

>> WELL, FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO PUT A FINER POINT ON THIS, THIS IS REALLY NOT WHAT YOU WANT IN A DEMOCRACY.

YOU DO NOT WANT BIG INDUSTRIES THROWING A BUNCH OF MONEY AND SCARING POLITICIANS OFFICE DANCES THEY BELIEVE IN.

YOU WANT IDEAS EDWARDS TO WIN OUT, AND NOT WHO CAN WRITE THE BIGGEST CHECK.

I BELIEVE THE NUMBER IS $40 MILLION FROM A CYCLE IF MEMORY SERVES, AGAINST SHERROD BROWN, SO IT'S JUST FROM A DEMOCRATIC STAND POINT, LOWERCASE D STANDPOINT.

>> YEAH, SHERROD BROWN WAS ANTI- CRYPTO, HE DIDN'T WANT IT INVOLVED IN HIS CAMPAIGN, NOW THEY ARE SOFTENING THAT A LITTLE BIT, IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?

>> WELL, THERE IS CONSISTENCY BECAUSE HE WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE BANKING COMMITTEE, NOW HE IS AGAINST CRYPTO, HAS HE FLIP- FLOPPED?

>> NOW, JON HUSTED IN THE PICTURE.

[ LAUGHTER ] > >> ALL RIGHT, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT TOPIC, I'M SURE WE HAVE PLENTY OF TIME TO TALK ABOUT CRYPTO IN THE FUTURE.

OHIO ATTORNEY GENERAL AND ONE TIME GOVERNOR HOPEFUL DAVE YOST IS LEAVING THE DeWINE ADMINISTRATION EARLY.

HE IS JOINING THE ALLIANCE DEFENDING FREEDOM --A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN LEGAL ADVOCACY GROUP, KNOWN FOR ITS ROLE IN OVERTURNING ROE VERSUS WADE.

TERRY, WERE YOU SURPRISED WHEN YOU HEARD YOST WAS LEAVING THIS EARLY FROM THE ADMINISTRATION?

>> I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, THE WAY THINGS ARE AROUND CAPITAL SQUARE THESE DAYS, IF YOU CAN MOVE ON AND SHIFT GEARS, THAT CAN BE A FAIRLY SMART THING.

THE INTERESTING THING, IT IS JUNE 7th WHEN THE GOVERNOR MUST HAVE AN APPOINTMENT BYE AND HE WILL HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE LOBBYING HIM AND TELLING HIM ABOUT THEIR CANDIDATE, BUT LOOK FOR THE NEXT ATTORNEY GENERAL TO BE THE THIRD WOMAN EVER TO SERVE AS OHIO ATTORNEY GENERAL, BECAUSE SHE HAS SOME PEOPLE IN HIS CABINET, FEMALES, VERY EXPERIENCED IN THAT OFFICE AND THAT IS IMPORTANT BOTH THE DAVE YOST AND THE GOVERNOR, TO MAKE SURE THERE ISN'T GOING TO BE ANY MUSICAL CHAIRS, THAT THERE IS SOMEBODY THERE WHO CAN FOCUS ON DOING THE JOB, BECAUSE AG IS A VERY IMPORTANT, COMPLEX JOB.

>> YOU MENTIONED THE MUSICAL CHAIRS, SO, GOVERNOR DeWINE COULD APPOINT -- >> NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

>> KEITH BAKER WAS RUNNING FOR THE STATE BUT IF HE PICKED KEITH, HE WOULD HAVE TO PICK A NEW AUDITOR, LAURA, WHAT IS YOUR TAKE?

>> I COULD SEE THE GOVERNOR APPOINTING KEITH FEDER, HE IS THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE, MIKE DeWINE IS A LONGTIME REPUBLICAN, THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE.

I DON'T THINK HE WOULD DO THIS MONKEY-MOVE WHERE HE HAS THIS WHOLE CASCADE OF APARTMENTS BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE A BAD LUCK.

YOU KNOW, TELLING THE VOTERS, "DON'T EVEN BOTHER, WE GOT IT. "

YOU KNOW, "IT'S ALL SQUARED AWAY. "

SO, ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO APPOINT FABER, THE OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO APPOINT A COMPETENT, WELL RESPECTED ATTORNEY WHO CAN GET THE JOB DONE FOR THE NEXT EIGHT MONTHS AS A PLACEHOLDER.

>> BUT, MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHO KNOWS THE OFFICE OF AG?

THAT IS BOTH IMPORTANT TO YOST AND IMPORTANT TO DeWINE.

>> JAKE, YOST IS LEAVING AND GOING TO THE ALLIANCE DEFENDING FREEDOM.

THIS GROUP HAS TAKEN A LOT OF CASES TO THE U. S. SUPREME COURT.

SO, HE IS TAKING A BIG, SIGNIFICANT JOB, YOST ISN'T LEAVING TO BE A LAWYER ANYWHERE, THIS JOB MAKES A STATEMENT, WOULDN'T YOU SAY, FOR YOST?

>> I THINK HE HAS A BIG, SIGNIFICANT JOB SHE IS CHOOSING TO LEAVE, HE WAS ELECTED FOR A FOUR YEAR TERM AND HE IS LEAVING EARLY, AND WHAT IS INTERESTING TO ME, HE IS GOING INTO PUBLIC INTEREST LAW, WHICH IS WHAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL DOES?

THAT, COUPLED WITH HIS AGE, WAS VERY UNUSUAL TO ME.

>> LAURA, WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON HIM LEAVING BEFORE THE END OF HIS TERM?

>> YEAH, I WAS ALSO A LITTLE SURPRISED, I GUESS, IN TERMS OF WHERE HE WAS GOING, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN COOL FOR HIM TO DO SOMETHING IN THE ANTITRUST SPACE.

HE ACTUALLY HAS BEEN A LEADER ON SOME OF THESE BIPARTISAN ANTITRUST CASES LIKE LIVE NATION-TICKETMASTER.

WHEN A LOT OF REPUBLICAN AG IS DROPPED OFF, HE STAYED ON.

TO BE ABLE TO HAVE MOMENTUM ON THE ISSUE, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INTERESTING, HIS EXPERIENCE IN AG.

OBVIOUSLY, THE ORGANIZATION WHERE HE IS GOING DOESN'T ALIGN WITH A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT DEMOCRATS CARE ABOUT.

>> LAURA, HOW OFTEN DO PEOPLE TEND TO STICK AROUND WITH A LAME-DUCK GOVERNOR?

DO PEOPLE STICK AROUND UNTIL THE END, USUALLY?

>> YOU MEAN, THE STAFF?

>> I MEANT THE CABINET MEMBERS.

>> WELL, YOST IS NOT A CABINET MEMBER.

>> HE IS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, I GET IT, YEAH, YEAH.

>> I THINK IT IS UNUSUAL TO STEP DOWN EARLY, THE LAST PERSON TO STEP DOWN AS AG BEFORE HIS TERM WAS UP WAS MARK DANON AND THAT WAS IN MAY OF 2008.

>> HE HAD SOME ISSUES, THEN.

>> YEAH, THERE WERE ISSUES.

> >> ALL RIGHT, WELL, ANOTHER THING I WANTED TO DISCUSS, IS THAT PRIMARY VOTERS DECIDED SOME OTHER INTERESTING RACES ON TUESDAY.

IN THE RACE FOR SECRETARY OF STATE, CURRENT TREASURER ROBERT SPRAGUE WILL FACE FORMER HOUSE MINORITY LEADER ALLISON RUSSO.

IN THE REPUBLICAN RACE FOR STATE TREASURER, J. D. VANCE-BACKED JAY EDWARDS DEFEATED VIVEK RAMASWAMY-BACKED KRISTINA ROEGNER.

AND, IN A CLOSELY WATCHED CONGRESSIONAL PRIMARY IN THE TOLEDO AREA, REPUBLICAN FORMER STATE REP DEREK MERRIN WON THE CHANCE TO TAKE ON DEMOCRAT MARCY KAPTUR.

MERRIN WON FAIRLY EASILY, HE DEFEATED STATE REP JOSH WILLIAMS AND FORMER I. C. E. DEPUTY DIRECTOR MADISON SHEAHAN.

MERRIN GETS A REMATCH WITH KAPTUR.

HE LOST TO HER BY ONLY 2400 VOTES, TWO YEARS AGO.

SO, MORGAN, I WANTED TO GET YOUR TAKE ON THIS RACE UP IN TOLEDO, I MEAN, A REMATCH BETWEEN MARION AND KAPTUR, WERE YOU EXPECTING THAT?

IT WAS A CLOSELY WATCHED PRIMARY FOR THE REPUBLICANS.

>> YEAH, I WASN'T SURE WHERE THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY WOULD GO ON THIS ONE, SO IT WAS INTERESTING TO SEE HIM COME THROUGH.

MARCY KAPTUR HAS GOOD RECOGNITION WITHIN THE PARTY BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS HARD TO PREDICT, EXACTLY, HOW THIS ONE MIGHT TURN OUT.

AND SO, I AM SURE IT IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY FIERCE FIGHT, AGAIN.

>> TERRY, WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON MAREN AND KAPTUR FACING OFF AGAIN?

>> WELL, EVEN THE DISTRICT HAS BEEN ADJUSTED, THE REALITY IS, YOU STILL HAVE A LIBERTARIAN ON THE BALLOT WHO SIPHONED OFF, LAST TIME, 4% OF THE VOTE.

AND COMING OUT OF A BITTERLY DIVIDED PRIMARY, IT WILL BE HARD TO PULL TOGETHER THE REPUBLICAN ELEMENTS.

AND AGAIN, THE NATURE OF THE YEAR MIGHT BE MORE FAVORABLE TO THE DEMOCRATS.

THE KAPTUR PEOPLE IN CENTRAL OHIO DON'T REALIZE WHAT A RETAIL POLITICIAN SHE IS.

SHE SHOWS UP AT EAGLE SCOUT CEREMONIES, AT FUNERALS ALL OVER THE DISTRICT.

SHE IS QUITE A POLITICIAN WHO WORKS THE DISTRICT.

SO, I WOULD STILL SAY IT LEANS A LITTLE BIT MORE DEMOCRATIC FOR KAPTUR THAN REPUBLICAN, BUT WE WILL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN SIX MONTHS.

>> YEAH, WELL, JAKE, THEY REDREW IT, SO IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF A DISTRICT FOR KAPTUR AND MERRIN ONLY LOST BY 2400 VOTES, SO DO YOU THINK THEY DREW IN ANOTHER 3000, OR WHATEVER THEY WOULD NEED, VOTES?

>> WELL, THEY REDREW THE DISTRICT, IT IS NAIVE TO THINK THEY DIDN'T DO SO INTENTIONALLY.

BUT, THE POLITICAL ENVIRONMENT HAS GOTTEN, IN FACT, HISTORICALLY, IT HAS GOTTEN LOWER.

SO, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW, HOW ANYONE IS SUPPOSED TO SQUARE THOSE TWO THINGS, I HAVE NO CLUE.

BUT, I WOULD NOT WRITE OFF MARCY KAPTUR.

>> YEAH, THERE IS A REASON WHY SHE IS THE LONGEST SERVING WOMEN IN CONGRESS.

>> ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE WILL STAY TUNED TO THAT RACE.

> >> NOW, THERE WERE SEVERAL LOCAL ISSUES THAT WERE DECIDED ON, ON TUESDAY.

RICHLAND COUNTY VOTERS UPHELD A BAN ON LARGE WIND AND SOLAR FARMS.

AND, OHIO VOTERS REJECTED DOZENS OF PROPERTY TAX AND INCOME TAX LEVY REQUESTS.

ACCORDING TO THE OHIO SCHOOL BOARDS ASSOCIATION, ONLY 24 FUNDING REQUESTS PASSED AND 42 FAILED.

JAKE, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS.

SO, 42 DISTRICTS ASKED FOR MONEY, AND THE VOTERS SAID, "NO. "

THAT SENDS A STRONG MESSAGE.

>> THAT DOESN'T SEND A STRONG MESSAGE, SOME OF IT WAS PRE- EXISTING REVENUE STREAM, SOME OF IT WAS NEW REVENUE STREAM, AND YOU HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE CONTEXT, HERE, 300,000 PEOPLE RECENTLY SIGNED AN EFFORT TO ERADICATE PROPERTY TAXES ALTOGETHER, AND PEOPLE ARE GETTING TAXED OUT OF THEIR HOUSES.

THERE IS UNBELIEVABLE AMOUNT OF MEDIA COVERAGE OF THE PROPERTY TAX ISSUE, SO IT FEELS LIKE THE OVERTON WINDOW IS SHIFTING A LITTLE BIT, HERE.

AND, YEAH, I MEAN, THERE IS A REAL QUESTION THIS RUN OF ALL THESE NEW PROJECTS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, ALL OF THESE CURRENT OPERATING EXPENSES, THAT MONEY IS GONE, SO FIGURE OUT A PLAN.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THESE SCHOOLS DO IN THE SHORT RUN.

I TALKED TO THE FINANCE CHAIRMAN OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE THIS WEEK, THEY ARE NOT ABOUT TO DIP INTO STATE COFFERS AND START GIVING SCHOOLS MORE MONEY.

THEY ARE SAYING THAT VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN, AND HAVE SAID, "YOU GUYS NEED TO MANAGE OUR BUDGETS BETTER, LIKE WE ARE. "

SO, I THINK THERE IS AN INTERESTING SHORT-TERM AND MEDIUM-TERM QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THESE DISTRICTS ARE GOING TO DO.

>> I THINK IN THIS ENVIRONMENT RIGHT NOW TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY, IT'S REALLY TOUGH.

NOT ONLY THIS BLOWBACK ON PROPERTY TAXES, BUT PEOPLE ARE FACING HIGHER GROCERY COSTS, GAS IS ALMOST FIVE DOLLARS PER GALLON, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC BILLS ARE GOING UP.

SO, IT'S A REALLY DIFFICULT TIME TO HAVE YOUR HAND OUT FOR THE VOTERS.

>> YEAH, TERRY?

>> GOVERNOR JIM RHODES IN 1980 SAID TO RONALD REAGAN, HE SLAMMED HIS WALLET ON THE TABLE, AND HE SAID, "IT'S ALL ABOUT WHAT GOES IN THE WALLET AND WHAT COMES OUT. "

THE ECONOMY PEOPLE FEEL THE IMPACTS OF THINGS OUT THERE AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE SAYING TO GOVERNMENTS, INCLUDING SCHOOLS, "YOU BETTER TIGHTEN YOUR BUDGET WITH WHAT YOU HAVE, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO DO IN MY HOUSEHOLD. "

>> BUT, EVERYTHING COSTS MORE, SO SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE HAVING TO PAY MORE FOR EVERYTHING.

EVERYTHING THEY WANTED TO DO BEFORE COST MORE.

PEOPLE ARE SAYING THEY ARE SICK OF HIGHER TAXES, BUT WHAT ARE SCHOOLS SUPPOSED TO DO?

THEY CAN'T CUT THEIR WAY OUT OF EVERYTHING.

>> IF YOU LOOK CLOSELY AT UNIVERSITY SCHOOLS, THERE IS A LOT OF OVERHEAD, THE QUESTION IS, HOW MUCH GET TO THE CLASSROOM, VERSUS HOW MUCH IS SPENT ON OTHER THINGS?

SO, THERE ARE STILL WAYS TO SAVE MONEY, AND THE VOTERS ARE BASICALLY SAYING, "TIGHTEN UP AND DO BETTER WITH WHAT YOU HAVE. "

>> MORGAN, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD STAY THAT THE STATE TOOK AWAY MOST OF THE MONEY FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT?

>> YEAH, AND I AM NOT SURE I WOULD READ THAT EXACTLY INTO PEOPLE VOTING DOWN THIS MEASURE --I AGREE A LOT WITH WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

I WAS DOING VOLUNTEERS AT THE POLLS ON ELECTION DAY AND THERE WERE A LOT OF SENIOR SAYING, "THESE PROPERTY TAXES, I CAN'T MANAGE MY EXPENSES," SO I THINK IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH THIS IDEA THAT PEOPLE DON'T THINK ANYONE IS LOOKING OUT FOR THEM.

THE THROUGH LINE BETWEEN THE PROPERTY TAX, THE EFFORT TO BAN THEM, DATA CENTERS --AND ACTUALLY, UNFORTUNATELY, TO ME, THE RICHLAND COUNTY BAN ON SOLAR POWER IS IN THE CAMP OF, "NOBODY IS LOOKING OUT FOR ME, WE HAVE TO STOP ALL OF THIS. "

I WOULD DISTINGUISH THE RICHLAND COUNTY SITUATION BECAUSE THAT IS ACTUALLY A HUGE OPPORTUNITY TO DO MORE OF THESE GREEN PROJECTS, JOB CREATION, GIVING FARMERS THE ABILITY TO BOTH RAISE DIFFERENT TYPES OF HERDS, OF ANIMALS AND THINGS THAT WOULD GENERATE REVENUE FOR THEM, AND ALSO HAVE A GREEN ENERGY PROJECT.

SO --BUT, IT'S GETTING AT THIS CORE ISSUE THAT THERE IS NOT A LOT OF TRUST IN GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW, AND PEOPLE WANT CHANGE, AND I THINK IT WILL BE RELEVANT FOR THE GOVERNORS RACE, FOR SURE.

>> AND JAKE, RENEWALS DID A LITTLE BIT BETTER, THEY WERE STILL ASKING FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY AND NOT MORE MONEY.

DID NOT DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER?

>> YES, I BELIEVE THERE WAS A 36% SUCCESS RATE FOR NEW MONEY, VERSUS 75% FOR RENEWAL MONEY.

ON THE ONE HAND, RENEWALS DID MUCH BETTER, ON THE OTHER, 1 IN 4 REQUESTED FOR PRE-EXISTING REVENUE, FAILED.

SO -- >> YEAH, TERRY?

>> DID EXCEPTIONALLY WELL, BECAUSE LIBRARIES --HAVING BEEN A FORMER LIBRARY BOARD MEMBER --THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY ASK FOR IS RELATIVELY SMALL COMPARED TO SCHOOL LEVIES AND PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT LIBRARIES DO, THEY CAN BETTER SEE IT INSIDE AS FAR AS WHAT IS GOING ON.

SO, THE MORE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND HOW YOU ARE SPENDING THE MONEY, THE BETTER OFF YOU ARE.

>> PLUS, YOU CAN GET FREE BOOKS AT THE LIBRARY.

OHIOANS LOVE LIBRARIES.

>> THEY LOVE FREE BOOKS!

>> THEY LOVE FREE BOOKS.

> >> ALL RIGHT, WELL, IT IS NOW TIME FOR OUR FINAL, OFF THE RECORD PARTING SHOTS.

MORGAN HARPER?

AND WE WILL START WITH MORGAN HARPER?

>> TURNOUT HAS BEEN A BIG THEME TODAY, I WILL PUT ON PEOPLE'S RADAR, THIS EFFORT TO CONNECT THE DOTS WITH GOVERNMENT REPRESENTATION AND HOW IT GETS IN ENGAGEMENT WITH THE ELECTORAL PROCESS SO THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO WATCH.

>> TERRY CASEY?

>> ONE OF THE BIGGEST STORIES WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT IS OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY AND DR.

STRAUSS, THIS IS NOT A GOOD WEEK, WHEN 3000 PAGES OF TRANSCRIPTS CAME OUT WITH MORE CULPABILITY, TOP UNIVERSITY OFFICIALS PLUS FOOTBALL PLAYERS COMING OUT.

THE TRIAL STARTS THIS FALL AND OHIO STATE HAS A TOUGHER, UPHILL CHALLENGE TO SOLVE AND DEFEND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE OR HAVEN'T DONE IN THE PAST.

>> AND LAURA BISCHOFF?

>> AND THIS IS -- >> I WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO JAKE ZUCKERMAN, I AM SORRY.

>> I AM BEING SWIPED, I'M PANICKING.

>> THAT WAS ON ME, SORRY.

YEAH.

>> I GET THE TOUR OF ITALY STARTED, ONE OF THE BEST BIKE RACES IN THE WORLD STARTING TODAY, SO, THE DOZENS OF WATCHERS ON THIS SHOW WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING.

>> NOW, TO LAURA BISCHOFF?

>> IF YOU HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE STUDENTS WHO ARE PRUDENCE THE BUCKEYE FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND THERE WILL BE A DELIGHTFUL PACKAGE OF STORIES, AND VIDEOS, AND PHOTOS THAT WILL DROP ON SUNDAY AND I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO CHECK IT OUT.

AND I AM A MICHIGAN GRAD.

AND I AM VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT.

>> PERFECT.

>> THANK YOU, BECAUSE THAT IS BIG OF YOU AND I LOVE TO HEAR THE WORD "DELIGHTFUL," IN A NEW PACKAGE THAT IS DROPPING.

FOR MY COMMENT, I WANT TO ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE "UNTANGLED" PODCAST.

MY DAY JOB IS TO HOST "ALL SIDES" AND TO HOST THE PODCAST, "UNTANGLED," AND WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING OHIO'S CHANGING WORKFORCE.

WE TALK ABOUT HOW TO PLAN FOR THE WORKERS OF TOMORROW, AND WE LOOK AT THE COLLEGE, VERSUS TRADE SCHOOL, VERSUS A. I. DEBATE.

WE TRY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, "IS A. I. GOING TO TAKE MY JOB? "

SO, CHECK OUT "UNTANGLED: RESHAPING WORK" WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS.

AND THAT'S A WRAP FOR "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD" THIS WEEK.

A REMINDER, TO CHECK OUT THE WOSU NEWS YOUTUBE PAGE.

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I'M AMY JURAVICH.

HAVE A GREAT WEEK.