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> >> WELCOME TO "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD. "

I'M MIKE THOMPSON.

THE U. S. SENATE IS KNOWN AS THE WORLD'S GREATEST DELIBERATIVE BODY, 100 MEMBERS WHO CALL EACH OTHER THEIR GOOD FRIENDS, WHO CAREFULLY AND THOUGHTFULLY CONSIDER LEGISLATION, SEEKING COMPROMISE FOR THE GREATER GOOD.

PERHAPS THAT'S AN UNREALISTICALLY NAIVE DESCRIPTION, AND IT CLEARLY DOES NOT FIT WHAT WE SAW THIS WEEK FROM SENIOR SENATOR BERNIE -- QUESTIONING DR.

ANTHONY FAUCI.

>> IT WAS ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO TODAY THAT I DECIDED I'M GOING TO GIVE UP MY BUSINESSES, SELL THEM ALL, RUN FOR OFFICE, RUN FOR THE UNITED STATES SENATE.

HERE I AM SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU SIX YEARS LATER SAYING, WHO THE [ BLEEP ] DO YOU THINK YOU WERE FOR DOING THAT.

>> TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT, WE TURN TO ANDREW TOBIAS FROM SIGNAL STATE-WIDE, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST TERRY CASEY, AND BRIAN RUTHERFORD.

ANDREW TOBIAS, IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE THAT WAS AN ACCIDENTAL BURST OF ANGER.

HIS STAFF ALMOST IMMEDIATELY PUT IT UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND USED THE F-WORD IN THE TEXT.

WHAT'S BEEN THE REACTION?

>> WELL, FOR ONE, I WANT TO SAY I WAS IMPRESSED THE SENATE AIDES OR WHOEVER THEY WERE IN THE BACKGROUND DIDN'T REACT AT ALL.

HE GOT SOME HEADLINES ON IT.

HE GOT ON THE RUTHLESS PODCAST.

HE DID SAY IN THE HEARING THAT HE HOPES PEOPLE SEE THE CLIPS ABOUT THE HEARING, SO I'D SAY HE ACCOMPLISHED HIS GOAL, WHICH WAS TO GET ATTENTION AND GET PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT.

YOU SEE POLITICIANS DROPPING STRATEGICALLY PLACED SWEAR WORDS THESE DAYS TO ACCOMPLISH THAT.

>> YOU SEE THE SWEAR WORDS IN SPEECHES AND INTERVIEWS, BUT THIS WAS A SENATE HEARING, YOU KNOW, NATIONALLY TELEVISED.

WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT, TERRY?

HOW DOES THIS PLAY WITH MODERATE REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS?

>> AS ONE DUBLIN MOTHER SAID, I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT ALONG A BAR OF SOAP TO ILLUSTRATE THE POINT.

HE NEEDED HIS MOUTH WASHED OUT.

ON THE OTHER HAND, OUR POLITICAL DISCOURSE ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND ON THE DIFFERENT NEWS --SO-CALLED NEWS -- CHANNELS HAS SLID FARTHER AND FARTHER OFF THE EDGE.

AND PART OF IT IS PEOPLE --I DON'T KNOW WHETHER HE DID IT DELIBERATELY OR NOT, BUT CLEARLY PEOPLE LIKE TO GET ATTENTION, LIKE TO BE NOTED, QUOTED.

AND WHEN YOU DO THOSE KIND OF THINGS, YOU GET MORE ATTENTION, RIGHT OR WRONG.

>> DOES THIS HURT HIM AT ALL?

OR IS THAT WHERE WE ARE THESE DAYS?

>> I THINK NOTHING HURTS YOU AFTER DONALD TRUMP AND WHAT HE'S BROUGHT TO POLITICS.

BUT I DO THINK IT'S ALL BEEN ABOUT CLICK BAIT.

THAT'S WHAT IT WAS.

YOU KNOW WHAT BOTHERS ME ABOUT ALL THIS, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW IN MY PREVIOUS JOB, I WAS AT THE UAW.

AND I WAS PART OF THE LEADERSHIP TEAM THAT HAD TO CLOSE DOWN MANY PLANTS.

>> DURING COVID.

>> DURING COVID.

27 PEOPLE DIED.

IN FACT, DURING COVID, THE REGIONAL DIRECTOR HERE IN OHIO WAS SUSPENDED.

AND I WAS THE ONE THAT WAS TOLD JOHN HOUSTON THAT WE WERE CLOSING THOSE BEFORE THE STATE OF OHIO WOUND UP CLOSING THEM DOWN.

27 PEOPLE FROM THOSE PLANTS DIED.

HOW MANY PEOPLE WOULDN'T HAVE DIED IF WE DIDN'T DO WHAT WE HAD TO DO.

IT'S COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN.

AND I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, I NEVER FORGET THIS WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS.

ONE OF MY BEST FRIENDS IN HIGH SCHOOL, DAVE, LEFT BEHIND TWO KIDS IN HIGH SCHOOL, AND ONE KID, A FRESHMAN IN COLLEGE, BECAUSE HE DIED ONE MONTH BEFORE WE HAD THE VACCINE.

>> TO THE CRITICISMS OF THE COVID POLICIES, TERRY --BROUGHT UP SOME GOOD ISSUES, A WOMAN WHO WAS TASED BECAUSE SHE REFUSED POLICE ORDERS TO WEAR A MASK AT A FOOTBALL GAME.

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIS F BOMB.

SO, YOU LOSE THE ARGUMENT, RIGHT?

>> WELL, MAYBE.

BUT CLEARLY THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION OF THE DISMAKES MADE, THE DIFFERENT THINGS WE LEARNED, WHAT WE WILL DO FOR THE FUTURE.

SO, IT'S A MISSED OPPORTUNITY FROM THAT SENSE.

BUT CLEARLY THE NERVES ARE STILL RAW.

AND IN OHIO, RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, MY GUESS IS THAT AMY ACTON WISHED THIS WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED BECAUSE SHE DOESN'T LIKE HAVING THE WHOLE COVID THING STIRRED UP, GIVEN HER SITUATION.

>> REPUBLICANS IMMEDIATELY LINKED AMY ACTON TO DR.

FAUCI BEFORE THE HEARING, TO DR.

FAUCI'S DIARIES AND WHAT WAS IN THERE AND SAID SHE'S THE SAME AS FAUCI BECAUSE SHE WAS THE FACE OF COVID HERE IN OHIO.

>> YOU KNOW, IT'S HARD TO SAY FOR SURE HOW PEOPLE TAKE THIS KIND OF STUFF.

I KNOW ONE OF MY THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS IS THAT NOBODY REALLY LIKES BEING REMINDED OF THAT TIME PAERD PERIOD.

IT REALLY WASN'T THAT FUN TO LIVE THROUGH.

MIKE DeWINE RAN THE COVID RESPONSE IN OHIO.

HE GOT RE-ELECTED IN 2022.

YOU SAW GOVERNORS ACROSS THE STATE GET RE-ELECTED.

I THINK IF I HAD TO GUESS THIS IS MORE OF A BASE THING, YOU HAVE A POINT OF VIEW ON THIS, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE REMEMBER THIS KIND OF THING.

AS FAR AS HOW THIS PLAYS POLITICALLY, I THINK IT'S, KIND OF, A WASH.

>> ALL RIGHT.

SPEAKING OF F BOMBS, REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE FOR GOVERNOR, I RAMASWAMY --SPOKE ABOUT 15 MINUTES TO WHAT HE ADMITTED WAS GOING TO BE A SKEPTICAL, EVEN HOSTILE AUDIENCE.

HE GOT WHAT HE EXPECTED AS HE RAILED AGAINST SOCIALISM AND WHAT HE CALLED WOKE IDEOLOGY.

SOME OF HIS SPEECH WENT OVER WELL.

>> THE RIGHT ANSWER AND WHAT WE ARE MISSING AT THIS UNIQUE MOMENT IN OUR HISTORY IS SOMEBODY WHO MAKES THE CASE, LEADERS WHO ARE WILLING TO MAKE THE CASE, FOR ACTUALLY THE BEST SYSTEM KNOWN TO MAN TO LIFT PEOPLE UP FROM POVERTY.

AND YES, THAT IS OUR SYSTEM OF FREE ENTERPRISE.

YES, THAT IS CAPITALISM.

>> AS HE SPOKE, THE CROWD GREW INCREASINGLY HOSTILE, AND THE BOOS AND THE CURSING INCREASED.

>> AND THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, YOU KNOW, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, WHICHEVER DIRECTION WE GO --IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR GENERATION -- >> WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR YOUR [ BLEEP ] TALKING POINTS YOU POLITICAL CREATEN AND YOU NEED TO GET THE [ BLEEP ] OUT OF HERE.

>> RAMASWAMY WAS NOT ONLY BOOED AS HE GOT ON THE STAGE, AS HE LEFT THE STAGE, HE WAS BOOED AS HE GOT ON THE STAGE.

WHY WOULD HE SPEAK TO THIS GROUP?

>> I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I LISTENED TO THE FULL 14 MINUTES.

AND PART OF IT, HE DID GET SOME APPLAUSE.

AND ALSO IF YOU LISTEN FAIRLY CAREFULLY, YOU CAN TELL THERE WAS A GROUP OF FIVE, SIX, SEVEN - -AND REMEMBER THIS IS AN AUDIENCE OF MOSTLY OUT-OF-STATE YOUNG COLLEGE STUDENTS WHO ARE PART OF AN ULTRA LIBERTARIAN GROUP.

SO, I DON'T KNOW WHY HE DID THE SPEECH TO THE GROUP, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT IT'S ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY LASTING.

AND ALSO IT'S THE KIND OF THING IF YOU PULL OUT EIGHT SECONDS HERE AND FIVE SECONDS THERE, YOU CAN SPIN THE STORY ONE WAY.

IF YOU LISTEN TO THE WHOLE THING, YOU GET A LITTLE DIFFERENT TAKE.

I'M NOT SURE WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IT TWO WEEKS FROM NOW.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

THE CLIPS THAT ARE ONLINE, THE FIRST ONES ARE 14 SECONDS.

IT'S REALLY THE LAST ONE WHERE HE GETS BOOED HEAVILY.

THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO PUT BOTH ON THERE TO SHOW IT WASN'T ALL HIM GETTING BOOED.

ANDREW, THIS SHOWS A LITTLE BIT, THERE'S STILL SOME ANGST AMONG CONSERVATIVES ABOUT RAMASWAMY, WHETHER THIS IS A --THERE IS SOME ANGST ABOUT HIM IN HIS POSITION.

>> YEAH.

I WROTE A LITTLE BIT THIS WEEK ABOUT A RADIO HOST IN NORTHEAST OHIO, A CON TEV TIF RADIO HOST WHO HAD --HE BASICALLY SPENT AN HOUR ON HIS SHOW THOROUGHLY CRITICIZING RAMASWAMY'S CAMPAIGN APPROACH.

IT'S HARD TO SAY HOW REPRESENTATIVE THAT IS, JUST LIKE WITH THIS.

I FOLLOWED SOME OF THE RIGHT ACTIVIST STUFF.

RAMASWAMY HAD A CHALLENGER DURING THE PRIMARY WHO PUSHED THE SAME BUTTONS, A PARTICULAR IDEOLOGICAL SECT ON THE RIGHT WHO DON'T LIKE RAMASWAMY.

SOME OF THAT IS BECAUSE THEY OPPOSE IMMIGRATION AND SOME OF THE POSITIONS RAMASWAMY HAS TAKEN ON THAT.

IT'S KIND OF A NICHE ISSUE ON THE RIGHT.

I WONDER IF IT MATTERS IN NOVEMBER.

MY INCLINATION IS HE FACED THIS THING AND GOT 80% OF THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY VOTE IN MAY.

>> YOU HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT, BRIAN, FOR COMING IN FRONT OF WHAT HE KNEW --AS SOON AS HE GOT UP ON THAT STAGE, HE SAYS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE.

AND HE WENT RIGHT INTO IT.

YOU HAVE TO GIVE HIM CREDIT FOR IT.

>> WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS, OKAY, IF YOU'RE GOING IN THERE, YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

WAS HIS AUDIENCE PEOPLE NOT IN THE ROOM?

IF NOT, WHY WOULD YOU GO TO THAT AUDIENCE AND STRUCTURE YOUR SPEECH THAT WAY?

I KNOW THEY CRITICIZE AMY BECAUSE SHE HASN'T BEEN ON THE BALLOT, BUT SOMETIMES I THINK RAMASWAMY IS MAKING A LOT OF ROOKIE MISTAKES HE GETS AWAY WITH ON THE RIGHT.

AND THIS IS AN UNFORCED ERROR HE SET UPON HIMSELF.

HE REALLY DID.

THERE IS A SPLIT IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY --ALL PARTIES HAVE SPLITS.

BUT THERE IS A SPLIT WITH LIBERTARIANS BECAUSE TRUMP REPUBLICANISM IS HARDLY LIBERTARIAN.

IT'S MORE TAKE CONTROL.

>> IF ANY ACTOR WERE TO GO IN FRONT OF A CROWD OF FAR LEFT FOLKS, FOLKS WHO ARE, LIKE, VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF TRANS RIGHTS AND DIDN'T LIKE THE POSITION ON TRANS ATHLETES, SHE WOULD GET PERHAPS THE SAME RECEPTION.

BUT DO YOU SEE HER DOING THAT?

>> I DON'T KNOW THAT SHE WOULD DO THAT RIGHT NOW UNLESS --UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED.

I THINK THERE IS SOME REAL MISUNDERSTANDINGS OVER THAT WHOLE ISSUE.

>> THE POINT IS WOULD SHE GO IN FRONT OF A HOSTILE AUDIENCE.

>> YEAH.

YOU USUALLY KNOW WHAT AUDIENCE YOU'RE GOING TO TALK TO AND YOU USUALLY MAKE THAT CALCULATION WHEN YOU'RE A CANDIDATE.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST THING TO SAY IS, DO NO HARM.

>> WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS GROUP, IT'S HARD TO TELL WHAT THIS GROUP STANDS FOR.

THEY'RE FOR LIBERTY.

>> THEY'RE A RON PAUL GROUP, AS RON PAUL IS THE GOLD STANDARD AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE OUT ON THE FAR, FAR SIDE OF THINGS.

BUT IN A WAY, AGAIN, IS IT COURAGE TO DO THAT OR WHERE DO YOU SPEND YOUR TIME.

>> IF YOU LISTEN TO THE VIDEOTAPE, YOU LISTEN TO THE COMMENTS THAT YOU COULD HEAR --NOW, IT COULD BE A MINORITY OF FOLKS THERE, BUT BASICALLY IMMIGRATION.

THEY WERE OPPOSED TO IMMIGRATION.

THEY WERE OPPOSED TO THE PROFESSIONAL WORK VISAS THAT RAMASWAMY SUPPORTS.

THAT SEEMED TO BE THEIR MAIN BEEF WITH HIM.

>> AND AGAIN IT'S OUT OF THE WHOLE CROWD, YOU CAN NOTICE TWO OR THREE VOICES WERE THE ONES THAT SHOUTED OUT.

>> BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF BOOS, TERRY.

>> I UNDERSTAND.

BUT THERE WAS ALSO APPLAUSE.

BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO MATTER MUCH.

AND ALSO LET ME REMIND YOU AS A STATE REPRESENTATIVE OF SOUTHERN OHIO TOLD ME, THIS WEEK WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THERE'S COUNTY FAIRS ALL OVER THE STATE, THERE'S A STATE FAIR GOING ON, PEOPLE ARE ON VACATION.

MOST PEOPLE ARE WORKING HARD TO AVOID ALL THIS STUFF, SENATE OR GOVERNOR.

>> YOU WANTED TO MAKE A POINT?

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT YEAH, THAT GROUP IS A LOT OF PURISTS, THE RON PAUL GROUP.

WHEN I WAS IN PROGRESS IN OHIO OPPOSED THE EXTENSION OF THE WAR IN IRAQ, THEY WERE WITH ME.

THEY WERE AGAINST ME ON A LOT OF STUFF LIKE HEALTH CARE.

ON JOBS OHIO, THEY REPRESENTED US.

SO, THERE IS THAT OPPORTUNITY AT TIMES FOR PEOPLE TO, SORT OF, MORPH.

>> BUT THERE ARE NICHES.

YOU SUMMARIZED IT WELL.

>> OUR NEXT TOPIC.

DEMOCRATS RUNNING FOR HIGH OFFICE CONTINUE TO PILE ON DATA CENTERS.

THIS WEEK AMY ACTON PROMISED A CONDITIONAL MORATORIUM ON DATA CENTERS IF SHE BECOMES GOVERNOR.

TO BE BUILT UNDER ACTON'S PLAN, THE DATA CENTERS WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR OWN POWER, USE ONLY UNION WORKERS FOR CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTENANCE.

SHE WANTS THE CENTERS BUILT ON FORMER INDUSTRIAL LANDS, NOT FARMLAND.

AND SHE WOULD BAN NON-DISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS BETWEEN TECH COMPANIES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.

ACTON DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT TAX BREAKS.

HER OPPONENT IS LESS HOSTILE TO DATA CENTERS, BUT HE ALSO SAYS THEY SHOULD PAY FOR THEIR OWN POWER.

THE GOVERNOR OF WORK THIS WEEK ISSUED A MORATORIUM ON LARGE DATA CENTERS.

THIS DOES NOT GO THAT FAR.

>> IT DOESN'T GO THAT FAR, BUT WHAT IT DOES DO IS RESPOND TO WHAT I THINK EVERY POLITICIAN IN THIS STATE IS TRYING TO RESPOND TO, WHICH IS THE FEAR AND UPSET ATTITUDE TOWARD THESE DATA CENTERS.

AND IT IS ON THE RIGHT AND IT IS ON THE LEFT.

AND A LOT OF IT IS TAKING AWAY LOCAL CONTROL.

AS YOU KNOW, I'M A LOCAL TOWNSHIP TRUSTEE.

I'VE FACED THIS MYSELF, HAVING SOME OF THESE ISSUES TAKEN AWAY FROM ME AND GIVEN TO THE STATE.

AND I THINK THAT ANYBODY RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR IS GOING TO HAVE TO ADDRESS THIS.

ANYBODY RUNNING FOR OFFICE IS.

>> BUT THE ONE THING SHE MISSES, SHE SAID IN HER ANNOUNCEMENT, I WILL TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION.

SHE NEEDS TO READ THE OHIO CONSTITUTION AND THE STATE LAWS, BECAUSE MOST OF THE THINGS SHE SUGGESTED A GOVERNOR JUST CAN'T SIGN AN EXECUTIVE ORDER AND GET DONE.

IN FACT, SOME OF THE THINGS SHE PROPOSED WOULD ACTUALLY VIOLATE STATE LAW IN TERMS OF WHAT SHE WANTS TO DO.

SO, IT'S EASY TO POSTURE AND MAKE PROMISES.

BUT IN REALITY, HOW IS SHE GOING TO ACCOMPLISH IT BECAUSE MOST WOULD TAKE LEGISLATIVE ACTION.

CLEARLY THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE'S MORE OF A CONSENSUS.

THERE'S GOT TO BE GUARDRAILS AND MORE PROTECTIONS.

>> I COULD SEE THE LEGISLATURE SAYING, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MANDATE UNION WORK ON THESE THINGS.

BUT THEY MIGHT SAY, DATA CENTER'S GOING TO PAY THEIR OWN WAY.

>> AND PART OF THAT, MOST PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT PJM IS.

THAT'S THE 13-STATE THING THAT PROVIDES THE ELECTRIC POWER.

THERE'S SOME REAL QUESTIONS THAT NEED TO BE ASKED OF HOW THEY'VE OPERATED AND HOW THEY'VE PLANNED AHEAD PROPERLY TO DEAL WITH FUTURE DEMANDS.

>> SOME OF HER CONDITIONS ARE CLOSE TO WHAT REPUBLICANS HAVE PROPOSED AT THE STATE HOUSE, RIGHT, ANDREW?

>> YEAH.

WE SAW MIKE DeWINE VETOED THE ATTEMPT FROM THE REPUBLICAN LEGISLATURE TO ELIMINATE THE DATA SALES TAX - -OR THE TAX EXEMPTION.

YOU KNOW, HE HASN'T BEEN SENT A BILL WITH THE OTHER STUFF IN IT, SO WE DON'T EXACTLY WHERE HE IS CHAPTER AND VERSE AND ALL THESE DIFFERENT RESTRICTIONS.

BUT WE'RE GETTING AN IDEA WHERE AMY ACTON WOULD BE ON THAT STUFF.

SOME OF VIVEK RAMASWAMY'S PLANS ARE SIMILAR TO THE THINGS SHE PROPOSED.

>> THE FACT SHE USES THE WORD MORATORIUM, EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOT A LOT OF STRINGS ATTACHED, MORATORIUM AND DATA CENTERS IN THE SAME SENTENCE WITH AMY ACTON.

REGARDLESS OF WHETHER SHE CAN FULFILL THESE PROMISES OR NOT, IT WORKS.

>> THE ONE THING I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT MORATORIUMS, IT'S GREAT THEY'RE THERE.

AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC IS DEMANDING NOW, BUT THEY DON'T ADDRESS THE ISSUES THAT EXIST WITH THE DATA CENTERS.

>> THERE'S STILL SOME DIVISIONS BECAUSE A LOT OF UNION LABOR IS USED BUILDING AND OPERATING THESE FACILITIES, AND THERE ARE DIVISIONS THAT WAY, WHICH I THINK IS PARTLY WHY SHE'S BEING A LITTLE CAREFUL AND NOT GOING ALL THE WAY LIKE THE NEW YORK GOVERNOR DID.

>> I THINK I SAW HER, ANDREW, 93% OF THE PEOPLE WORKING ON THESE DATA CENTERS NOW ARE UNION MEMBERS.

SO, DEMANDING THEY ALL BE UNION IS NOT THAT BIG A LEAP.

>> YEAH.

AND I THINK YOU SEE DEMOCRATS, THEY, KIND OF, DIPPED THEIR TOE IN THE WATER ON BEING TOUGH ON DATA CENTERS.

IT WAS THE UNION ISSUE THAT MADE THEM RELUCTANT TO TRY IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

THIS IS THE LATEST EXAMPLE OF THEM PUSHING A LITTLE BIT MORE.

SHE DOESN'T MENTION THE TAX EXCEPTION.

THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING THE STATE COULD DO TO DISCOURAGE THESE THINGS.

SHE IS IN THEORY GUARANTEEING MORE UNION JOBS AT THESE THINGS.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A CRACKDOWN.

IT'S ACTUALLY, KIND OF, IN SOME WAYS IT'S, YOU KNOW, CUT PRETTY FRIENDLY TO THE INTERESTS BEHIND IT.

>> IS THE TAX BREAK NOT THERE BECAUSE OF THE TAX DEALS THAT KASICH SIGNED.

COULD THE LEGISLATURE PASS A LAW SAYING THESE ARE NULL AND VOID?

>> I DON'T THINK THEY CAN RETROACTIVELY REMOVE WHAT'S IN PLACE BECAUSE THAT'S DEALING WITH A CONTRACT AND THAT, KIND OF, DONE.

BUT WE'LL HEAR MORE ON THIS BECAUSE THE DATA CENTERS IS A BIG THING.

BUT CLEARLY THE LEGISLATURE EARLIER THIS SPRING WAS VERY CLOSE WITH JUST A COUPLE LITTLE HICCUPS OF PASSING A LAW THAT WOULD HAVE DONE SOME OF THESE GUARDRAILS.

THAT'S CLEARLY GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE POST-ELECTION LAME DUCK SESSION.

>> WATCH OUT FOR THE UTILITY INTEREST AND HOW THEY GET WATERED DOWN IN THE LAME DUCK.

>> BUT THE MANUFACTURERS ARE VERY MAD AT THE UTILITIES BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE BUSINESS VERSUS BUSINESS THAT'S GOING ON.

>> ANXIETY GROWS FOR THOUSANDS OF HAITIAN REFUGEES LIVING IN CENTRAL OHIO NOW UNDER IMMEDIATE THREAT OF DEPORTATION.

FEDERAL COURTS ARE FREE TO ALLOW THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO ENFORCE THE END OF TEMPORARY PROTECTED STATUS FOR REFUGEES.

CBS REPORTED EARLIER IN THE WEEK THAT IMMIGRATION AUTHORITIES WERE PREPARING TO LAUNCH DEPORTATION EFFORTS IN SPRINGFIELD AND COLUMBUS.

GOVERNOR DeWINE AND SENATOR JOHN HOUSTON SAID THE REPORT IS NOT TRUE.

AS THE WEEK ENDS, HAITIAN REFUGEES IN SPRINGFIELD REPORT RECEIVING LETTERS FOR THEM TO REPORT TO AN I. C. E. ENFORCEMENT AND REMOVAL OFFICE OUTSIDE CINCINNATI.

AT THE CENTER, THE REFUGEES DO AN INTERVIEW.

THEY ARE FITTED WITH AN ANKLE BRACELET, AND THEY'RE GIVEN A COURT DATE IN ABOUT A MONTH.

IT SEEMS LIKE THIS PROCESS, IF IT'S HAPPENING, IT'S MOVING SLOWLY.

WE'RE NOT SEEING WHAT WE SAW IN CHICAGO OR IN MINNEAPOLIS IN THE RAIDS AND THE SWEEPS.

>> YEAH.

I HAVEN'T DONE A LOT OF REPORTING ON THIS LATEST DEVELOPMENT ON THIS, BUT I DID DO A FAIR AMOUNT OF REPORTING BACK IN JANUARY WHEN THE RUMORS FIRST PICKED UP ABOUT I. C. E. POSSIBLY COMING IN AND DOING SOMETHING IN SPRINGFIELD LIKE THEY DID IN MINNEAPOLIS.

THAT WAS A VERY RAW ISSUE AT THE TIME.

IT SEEMS LIKE A LONG TIME AGO NOW, BUT PEOPLE WERE REALLY SCARED IN THE COMMUNITY, KIND OF ACROSS THE SPECTRUM, INDEPENDENTLY OF HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IMMIGRATION POLICY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

I'M SURE THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION REALIZES THE POLITICAL SENSITIVITIES.

YOU HAVE JOHN HOUSTON AND MIKE DeWINE, REPUBLICANS, BEING OUT IN FRONT SAYING THEY DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A RAID LIKE THIS.

IT IS DIFFERENT THAN WE SAW LAST WINTER.

>> MIKE DeWINE THINKS IT IS NOT SMART TO DEPORT THESE FOLKS BACK TO HAITI, WHICH HE SAYS IS A TERRIBLE SITUATION.

IS HE RESPONSIBLE FOR A GOING-SLOW APPROACH HERE, DO YOU THINK?

>> I THINK THE WHITE HOUSE IN GENERAL AND HOMELAND SECURITY HAS REALIZED THEY MIGHT HAVE OVERREACHED.

SOME THINGS DIDN'T WORK OUT THAT WELL.

BUT ALSO HERE'S ANOTHER PRACTICAL THING.

TRY AND BUY AN AIRLINE TICKET TO FLY INTO HAITI.

YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THEY AREN'T TAKING FLIGHTS.

NOBODY'S GOING TO FLY MILITARY AIRCRAFT INTO THERE BECAUSE THINGS ARE SO -- >> THEY'D GET SHOT AT.

>> YES.

IT'S SO UNSAFE AND BAD EVEN WITH MILITARY AIRCRAFT.

AND THERE'S NO SCHEDULED AIRLINES.

SO, AGAIN, I THINK EVERYTHING'S SLOWED DOWN AND THAT'S PROBABLY FOR A GOOD REASON.

>> WELL, AND THAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM AND THE REAL TRAGEDY HERE IS THEY ALREADY CANNOT WORK NOW BECAUSE THEY'VE GOTTEN THOSE LETTERS FOR THE MOST PART.

NOW YOU'VE GOT ECONOMIC ISSUES THERE.

ONCE THEY LEAVE, THERE'S 18,000 PEOPLE IN THE SPRINGFIELD AREA THAT ARE LIVING THERE, 18,000 PEOPLE THAT AREN'T GOING TO PAY RENT, THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO SELL THEIR HOMES, THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE MAKING INCOME OR PARTICIPATING.

IT IS A HUGE DISRUPTION TO THAT ECONOMY.

AND I DO THINK THAT IT'S GREAT THAT THE GOVERNOR AND JOHN HOUSTON HAVE COME AROUND TO THIS POSITION AND ARE DOING WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, BUT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH MORE VOCAL.

YOU TALK ABOUT SAVING JOBS AND SAVING AN ECONOMY, THIS WAS AN ECONOMIC ISSUE FOR THAT AREA.

>> BUT ANDREW, IT STILL SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU'RE GIVEN A COURT DATE IN A MONTH AND YOU HAVE AN ANKLE BRACELET ON YOU NOW, THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL.

THEY MAY NOT GO BACK TO HAITI, BUT THEY'RE GOING SOMEPLACE ELSE.

>> I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE, BUT WE'VE SEEN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DEPORT PEOPLE TO THIRD COUNTRIES.

WE'VE SEEN THEM PICK PEOPLE UP ON IMMIGRATION HEARINGS.

THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S THIS --YOU KNOW, THE TPS PROCESS, AND THERE'S A SPECIFIC SET OF COURT ORDERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT IN PLACE.

BUT IT'S HARD TO SAY EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FROM HERE.

BUT YEAH, I KNOW FROM SPEAKING TO HAITIAN LEADERS THERE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE LEFT ALREADY.

BUT I THINK FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE STAYING, THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE TO GO.

>> THEY'RE LYING LOW FOR THE MOST PART RIGHT NOW.

LET'S GO TO SPORTS.

EVIDENCE THIS WEEK THAT COLLEGE SPORTS IS MORE LIKE PRO SPORTS.

FOR YEARS, PROFESSIONAL TEAMS HELD OFF PUTTING BUSINESS LOGOS ON THEIR UNIFORM JERSEYS.

SO, IT WAS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME THAT COLLEGE TEAMS STARTED CUTTING UNIFORM LOGO DEALS.

THAT'S WHAT OHIO STATE HAS DONE WITH CHASE BANK, A SMALL BUT NOTICEABLE CHASE BANK LOGO WILL APPEAR ON THE UNIFORMS OF EVERY OSU ATHLETE, FOOTBALL BEING THE MOST VISIBLE PLACEMENT.

OSU WON'T REVEAL HOW MUCH IT WILL GET IN THE LOGO DEAL, BUT ESPN REPORTS IT'S WORTH $17 MILLION.

NOTRE DAME HAS A SIMILAR DEAL WITH ANOTHER COMPANY.

CONGRESS IS TRYING TO PASS A BILL THAT WOULD TRY TO REGULATE THE NEW BUSINESS OF COLLEGE SPORTS.

>> A SMALL LITTLE OCTAGON ON THE UNIFORM, IF THAT'S THE PRICE TO PAY TO GET A GOOD QUARTERBACK, WHAT'S THE PROBLEM?

>> THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER SQUARE INCHES OF JERSEY AND HELMETS THEY COULD SELL ADVERTISING ON.

AND HOW MANY SQUARE FEET ARE LEFT AT OHIO STADIUM THAT DON'T HAVE SPONSORSHIP.

THE GOOD NEWS IS THE LOGO IS NOT GOING TO BE WENDY'S HOT AND JUICY HAM BURGS OR VICTORIA'S SECRET THONG ON THE JERSEY.

SO, CHASE BANK HAS HISTORY BECAUSE PEOPLE FORGET THAT SOLOMON CHASE WAS AN OHIO GOVERNOR, WAS LINCOLN'S TREASURY SECRETARY.

>> SO, THAT'S WHY IT'S ON THE UNIFORM.

IT'S A HISTORY LESSON.

>> YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE CORPORATE SIDE.

IT IS A CORPORATE ISSUE ANYWAYS FOR UNIVERSITIES.

THEY'VE LONG BEEN MAKING MONEY BEFORE WE DO IT.

THEY'RE JUST ACKNOWLEDGING IT.

I DO THINK FROM THE NIL STANDPOINT, WHICH I KNOW CONGRESS IS TRYING TO GET RID OF, WHICH HAS CHANGED THE SPORT A LITTLE BIT, A LOT, IN SOME WAYS IT'S FAIR.

SOME OF THESE ATHLETES GET INJURED AND THEY CAN'T GO PRO AND THEIR ENTIRE --THEY'VE DONE THIS IN COLLEGE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT INJURY REALLY RUINS THEIR ABILITY TO MAKE MONEY DOWN THE LINE.

AND THE UNIVERSITY WAS MAKING MONEY.

SO, I DO THINK IN THAT SENSE, IT'S FAIR.

>> COLLEGES SAY THEY NEED THESE DEALS BECAUSE THE ATHLETES ARE MAKING MONEY NOW, ANDREW.

SO, THE COLLEGES RIGHT NOW, UNLESS CONGRESS CHANGES THE RULES, THEY CAN PAY A TOTAL OF $20 MILLION TO ATHLETES.

FOOTBALL, MENS AND WOMEN'S BASKETBALL AND VOLLEYBALL.

JUST THE FOOTBALL COACHES MAKE $30 MILLION A YEAR, JUST THE COACHES ON ONE TEAM.

>> HAVE YOU CONSIDERED GETTING CORPORATE SPONSORSHIPS LIKE FOR YOUR LAPEL HERE ON THE SHOW.

>> YOU KNOW, WITH THE FEDERAL BUDGET CUTS, WHY NOT?

IF SOMEONE WANTS A LITTLE OCTAGON HERE, WE'LL GO FOR IT.

>> THE COACHES WEAR HEADSETS THAT HAVE CORPORATE LOGOS ALREADY AND HAVE FOR QUITE A WHILE.

>> THEY'RE BLAMING THE ATHLETES, BUT THIS GOES WELL BEYOND THE ATHLETES.

THEY'RE THE NEWEST ONES TO GET PAID.

>> AND MIKE IT'S NOT JUST THE COACHING STAFF WHERE THEY DOUBLE THE WAY OF THE DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR WHERE HE'S UNDER CONTRACT FOR 2 MILLION TO 4 MILLION.

BUT YOU'VE GOT AN ATHLETIC DIRECTOR MAKING 2.

5 MILLION.

HE'S GOT ROUGHLY 50 DIFFERENT DEPUTY, ASSOCIATE, OR ASSISTANT ATHLETIC DIRECTORS T. BUREAUCRACY IS OUT OF CONTROL.

>> CONGRESS IS TRYING TO PASS A LAW.

IS THERE ANY TALK IN THE STATE HOUSE ABOUT TRYING TO DO THIS OR ARE THEY GOING TO LEAVE CONGRESS TO SET THE SALARY CAP FOR COLLEGE SPORTS.

>> I WAS READING SOME OF THE LEGISLATION.

I READ A QUOTE FROM A SENATOR FROM INDIANA WHO SOUNDS LIKE HE'S TAKING HIS CUES FROM NOTRE DAME IN THE BIG TEN.

I CAN'T IMAGINE THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF PEOPLE LOOKING OUT FOR THE PAC-12 IN THE LEGISLATURE.

IT'S, KIND OF, AN ANTITRUST ISSUE THAT MONEY IS CONCENTRATING IN AND AMONG A FEW TEAMS.

I DON'T KNOW THAT'S GOING TO REALLY CONCERN OHIO BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THE BEST FOOTBALL TEAM IN AMERICA.

>> IT'S THE BIG TEN AND S. E. C. THAT HAVE KILLED THE LEGISLATION.

>> LET'S GET TO OUR FINAL SHOTS.

>> HERE'S WHAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR FROM JOBS OHIO.

THEY BRAGGED ABOUT US BEING NUMBER ONE IN A CNBC POLL, BUT U. S. NEWS CAME OUT AND OHIO IS RANKED A WHOPPING 42nd.

SO, IT'S EITHER THESE STUDIES ARE PRETTY SUBJECTIVE OR MAYBE THE ECONOMY IS NOT AS ROSY AS CNBC SAID.

>> NINE MONTHS, WE'RE AWAY FROM THE MAY 27 PRIMARY.

IN THE CITY OF COLUMBUS, IT'S BASED ON WHAT HAPPENED WITH COLUMBUS STATE AND THE CITY NEEDING TO DUMP TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AROUND THE COURT BUILDING.

THE BATTLE BETWEEN --IS GOING TO HEAT UP WITH MIKE COLEMAN, KIND OF, BEING THE RING MASTER FOR MR.

HARDEN.

THERE MIGHT BE OTHER PEOPLE.

SO, GET READY FOR POLITICS NEXT YEAR.

>> CITY POLITICS.

ANDREW?

>> ARIZONA SENATOR MARK KELLY IS ADDRESSING THE OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY AT THEIR STATE DINNER ON SATURDAY.

SO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 2026 ELECTION.

WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS THE 2028 ELECTION.

ONE AT A TIME.

WHY BOTHER?

>> IT'S COMING SOON.

APPARENTLY THE OHIO STATE FAIR POSTER COMPETITION, A CONTROVERSY.

PROBABLY THE WINNER USED A. I. TO CREATE THE POSTER, WHICH APPARENTLY NOW HAS BEEN DISQUALIFIED.

I PREDICT 20 YEARS FROM NOW THAT A. I. WILL BE DESIGNING THE BUTTER COW AND THE BUTTER COW WILL BE BUILT WITH A DIGITAL BUTTER PRINTER INSTEAD OF A SCULPTOR AND THEY'LL CALL US ALL LUDDITES FOR NOT DOING IT EARLIER.

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