ANOTHER PERSON SOMEBODY.

WELL, YEAH.

BUT THAT'S WHAT.

>>> AN INDICTMENT IN THE FATAL POLICE SHOOTING OF ANDRE HILL AND THE GOOD NEWS BAD/NEWS COVID SITUATION.

>>> GETTING US ON "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD," GENE KREBS FORMER STATE LEGISLATOR.

DARRYL ROELAND, PUBLIC AFFAIRS EDITOR FOR THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH.

AND MORGAN HARPER, ACTIVE IT.

IT'S RARE A PLOVRP IS INDICTED FOR KILLING ANOTHER PERSON IN THE COURSE OF DUTY.

THIS WEEK ADAM COY WAS FIRED ON MURDER AND OTHER CHARGES IN THE SHOOTING DEATH OF ANDRE HILL.

COY SHOT HILL JUST BEFORE CHRISTMAS.

HILL WAS NOT ARMED.

HE WAS DROPPING OFF CHRISTMAS MONEY FOR A FRIEND.

POLICE BODY CAMERA FOOTAGE SHOWED AND COY'S FELLOW OFFICER SAID HILL WAS NOT A THREAT.

>> TRUTH IS THE BEST FRIEND OF JUSTICE.

AND THE GRAND JURY HERE FOUND THE TRUTH.

ANDRE HILL SHOULD NOT BE DEAD.

>> WE'RE HAPPY -- I MEAN IT MADE MY DAY YESTERDAY.

I'M HAPPY ABOUT IT.

BUT AS WE STATED BEFORE, THIS IS NOT THE END.

WE'RE HERE FOR THE LONG RUN, HOWEVER LONG IT TAKES.

MY BROTHER -- WE OWE HIM THAT.

SO WE'RE HERE FOR THE LONG RUN.

AND I DON'T WANT HIM TO HAVE DIED IN VAIN.

>> FORMER OFFICER COY FACES CHARGES OF DERELICTION OF DUTY FOR FAILING TO ACTIVATE HIS BODY CAMERA BEFORE THE SHOOTING AND FOR FAILING TO ADMINISTER FIRST AID AFTER THE SHOOTING.

DARREL THE MONUMENTAL CASE.

ASIDE FROM SHOOTING SOMEONE IN THE BACK OF A CRUISER, THIS ONE A OFFICER FIRED ON SOMEBODY IN THE COURSE OF THE DUTY.

WHAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE THIS TIME.

>> YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT, JUST THE CHARGE OF MURDER -- I THINK THERE IS TWO THINGS THAT HAPPENED.

I WAS STRUCK BY CARISSA'S STATEMENT DURING THE PRESS CONFERENCE OF THE CLIP YOU JUST PLAYED.

THIS IS WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN WHEN ANOTHER PERSON MURDERS SOMEBODY.

WELL, YEAH, BUT IT HAS NOT HAPPENED.

AND THAT'S WHAT ON THE STREETS OF OUR CITY, YOU KNOW CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND AROUND THE WORLD.

I THINK TWO THINGS HAPPENED.

ONE THAT WAS HANDLED BY THE STATE.

THEIR INTERNAL INVESTIGATION FIRST.

NOW THE OFFICERS INVESTIGATING, OTHER OFFICERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

IT'S STANDARD PROCEDURE NUMBER ONE FOR THE BCI BUREAU OF CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION TO BE CALLED IN.

THAT'S STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR COLUMBUS POPULACE.

BUT SINCE O'BRIEN, THE COUNTY PROSECUTOR IS LEAVING OFFICE.

AND ONE IS COMING IN DAYS AFTER THE SHOOTING, THE PROSECUTION OF IN CASE WAS HANDLED BY THE BOSS OF BCI, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL.

SO JUST THE FACT THAT IT WENT THROUGH THE -- AND YOU HEARD THE QUOTE FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT THE GRAND JURY FOUND THE TRUTH.

ANDRE HILL SHOULD NOT BE DEAD.

I THINK THAT'S A KEY FACTOR.

THE OTHER KEY FACTOR IS WE TALK ABOUT PEOPLE IN THE STREETS.

AND WE ALL REMEMBER AT THE TIME AND EVEN MANY OF THE PROTESTERS WERE FIRED UP AND CRYING FOR JUSTICE AFTER MULTIPLE INCIDENTS THAT KEEP SEEMING TO HAPPEN TIME AFTER TIME.

IS ANYTHING EVER GOING TO CHANGE?

I THINK WE'RE SEEING THAT CHANGE TODAY.

YOU KNOW, I THINK FRANKLY HERE IN COLUMBUS, OHIO, YEAH, GIVE THE STATE THEIR DUE.

BUT GIVE, I THINK, JUST THE ATMOSPHERED TRADING IN IN COUNTRY, THERE WAS AWARENESS RAISED BY AVERAGE CITIZENS, OUTRAGED CITIZENS OF VARIES AND BACKGROUNDS AND INCOME, EDUCATION, AND EVERYTHING JUST -- AND ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT OUR COUNTRY TO BE.

IT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT OUR COMMUNITY TO BE.

SO I THINK THAT'S PAYING OFF IN MY OPINION.

>> MORGAN HARPER, EYE KEY, EVEN THOUGH THE CAMERA NOT IF YOU WOULD ON BEFORE THE SHOOTING.

WE COULDN'T SEE IT WE COULDN'T HEAR WHAT WAS BEING SAID BUT WE COULD SEE IT.

AND HE DIDN'T LOOK LIKE A THREAT.

HE WAS HOLDING UP HIS PHONE WALKING TOWARDS THE OFFICER.

THE VIDEO PLAYED A KEY ROLE IN THIS.

AND HOW CONFIDENT ARE YOU, MORGAN HARPER THIS WILL PROCEED AS ANY OTHER CASE WOULD IN THIS CASE.

>> YEAH, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT POINT.

WE HAVE A CAMERA TURNED ON EVENTUALLY.

AND THERE WAS VIDEO FOOTAGE.

IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THIS CASE PROCEEDS VERSUS THE KILLING EVER CASEY GOODSON WHERE THERE ISN'T THE VIDEO FOOTAGE.

YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

THIS IS THE FIRST STEP, HAVING AN INDICTMENT.

BUT WE'RE ALREADY SEEING THE DEFENSE COMING IN WITH SAYING, MISTAKING A PHONE FOR A GUN, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG PROCESS TO ACTUALLY GET TO A CONVICTION, WHICH IS ULTIMATELY THE TYPE OF ACCOUNTABILITY THAT I BELIEVE THE FAMILY AND THE COMMUNE IS LOOKING FOR.

>> GENE KREBS, THE OFFICER, COY, TOLD HIS ATTORNEY WHO TOLD THE MEDIA IT WAS ACTUALLY KEYS.

HE THOUGHT HE HAD CAR KEYS.

HE MISS TOOK THE CAR KEYS FOR A GUN.

BUT IF YOU TIME THAT VIDEO HE SHOOTS HIM WITHIN 10 TO 15 SECONDS AFTER SEEING HIM THE FIRST TIME.

IS THAT A REASONABLE DEFENSE.

JURIES AND GRAND JURIES UP UNTIL NOW TEND TO GIVE THE OFFICER THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

>> I THINK THAT HOW THINGS GO -- EVIDENCE FROM CELL PHONES, VIDEO, STREET CAMERAS ALL THE TIME, WILL CHANGE THAT -- I THINK WE NEED TO FIX THE PROBLEM HERE TOO.

AND NOT JUST FIX THE BLAME.

THE PROBLEM IS WE NEED BETTER TRAINING POLICE.

AND THERE IS NOT A WHOLE LOT OF INTERACTION PRIOR TO -- TO KNOW THERE IS CRIMINAL ACTIVITY OR ALLEGED CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

AVOID THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS.

THE COLUMBUS P. D. CAN TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT WHAT THE MEDIA CAN DO.

>> LAST WEEK ANDRE'S HILL'S LAW WAS PASS BY THE CITY COUNCIL WHICH DISCIPLINES POLICE OFFICERS FOR NOT PERFORMING FIRST AID AFTER SHOOTING SOMEONE.

WILL THAT ORDINANCE, THAT LAW THAT PROGRESS IN YOUR MIND TOWARDS CHANGING THE CULTURE OF POLICING?

>> IT'S HARD TO SAY THAT THAT REALLY SHOWS A HUGE CHANGE, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TO PASS LAWS TO FORCE POLICE TO RENDER AID IN SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN INJURED AT THE HANDS OF THE POLICE.

I THINK IS NOT A GOOD SIGN OF WHERE WE'RE AT.

I THINK THE LEADERSHIP CHANGES THAT WE'RE SEEING WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND HOPEFULLY GETTING AN OUTSIDE CHIEF TO COME IN AND LEAD SOME OF THE CHANGE I THINK IS IMPORTANT.

BUT, AGAIN, I DO THINK THE THE ATMOSPHERE AND THE POLITICAL ATMOSPHERE AROUND POLICING IN COLUMBUS HAS PROBABLY CHANGED FOREVER IN THE PROSECUTION.

BUT TIME WILL TELL HOW MUCH ACTUALLY ENDS UP BEING DIFFERENT IN THE CASE OF THE PROSECUTIONS AND ALSO THE MANAGEMENT OF THE FORCE.

>> OKAY.

OUR NEXT TOPIC.

FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS WEEK THE NUMBER OF OHIOANS VACCINATED AGAINST COVID IN ONE DAY EXCEEDED THE NUMBER OF OHIOANS DIAGNOSED WITH COVID.

A SMALL POSITIVE BENCHMARK ON THE ROAD AWAY FROM THIS PANDEMIC.

GOVERNOR DEWINE AND HIS WIFE FRAN GOT THEIR SHOTS THIS WEEK, AS DID HUNDREDS OF SCHOOL TEACHERS.

THE POSITIVE NEWS STANDS IN CONTRAST WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENTS, VACCINE DISTRIBUTION REMAINS SLOW.

AND A "CINCINNATI ENQUIRER" YOU NOW SHOWS PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE GETTING A DISPROPORTIONATELY LOWER NUMBER OF COVID-19 VACCINE SHOTS.

MORGAN HOPPER, GOVERNOR DEWINE FOR THIS WEEK SAYS THEY ARE TO GET VACCINES INTO NEIGHBORHOODS PREDOMINANTLY POPULATED BY BLACK PEOPLE AND PEOPLE OF COLOR.

WHAT ELSE DOES THE STATE NEED TO DO TO GET THE VACCINE LEVELS UP FOR THOSE FOLKS.

>> IT CERTAINLY IS AN ISSUE.

THE FACT IS ONLY ABOUT 5% OF THE VACCINES SO FAR HAVE GONE TO BLACK PEOPLE.

AND AS WE KNOW THE STATE POPULATION AROUND 14%, IN THE COMMUNITIES, 20%.

EVEN FROM OCCUPANT EQUITY PERSPECTIVE BUT PUBLIC HEALTH PERSPECTIVE IT'S TROUBLING WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN BETTER PENETRATION OF THE VACCINE DOSES INTO BLACK POPULATIONS AND COMMUNITIES.

AND I THINK SOME OF THAT, YEAH, IT'S GOING TO BE MORE GRASS ROOTS APPROACHES TO EDUCATING PEOPLE ABOUT THE VACCINE'S AVAILABILITY, GETTING THROUGH SOME OF THE MYTHS AROUND THE SAFETY OF THE VACCINE.

BUT IT'S GOT TO BE A FULL-ON EFFORT.

YOU SEE IN OTHER CITIES THEY ARE GETTING CREATIVE WITH DIFFERENT MECHANISMS FOR PREVENTING THOSE FROM THE SUBURBS ACCESSING CERTAIN VACCINE APPOINTMENTS.

I SAW WASHINGTON, D.C. WAS DOING SOME INTERESTING WORK ON THAT.

SO I THINK THIS IS A TIME TO GET CREATIVE, BUT ALSO RECOGNIZE THE POWER OF GRASS ROOTS ORGANIZATIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS JUST SPREADING THE WORD AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE MORE EQUITABLE DISTRIBUTION OF THE VACCINE.

>> THIS IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF THE GAP BETWEEN THE HEALTH CARE IN AFFLUENCE AREAS VERSUS LOWER INCOME AREAS?

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLACE TO STORY THIS VACCINE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN OFFICE FOR EITHER A REFRIGERATOR OR A VERY COLD FREEZER FOR THE PFIZER VACCINE.

AND THOSE PLACES ARE JUST NOT LOCATED IN AREAS THAT ARE LOWER INCOME, TEND TO BE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE LOW-INCOME WHITES OR LOW-INCOME PEOPLE CH COLOR ARE.

IS THIS ANOTHER IMGTS OF THE HEALTH DISPARITY IN OUR SYSTEM.

>> WELL, I THINK IT IS.

AND THIS PANDEMIC HAS JUST LAID BARE ALL SORTS OF, YOU KNOW, EXAMPLES OF THAT.

I MEAN, IN OHIO AND COLUMBUS IN PARTICULAR, WE HAVE THIS SORT OF PROBLEM WITH YEARS WITH INFORMANT MORTALITY AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND NOW WITH THE VACCINE.

I THINK ANOTHER FACTOR WITH THE VACCINE, I REMEMBER TALKING TO CONGRESSWOMAN JOYCE BEATTY ABOUT -- OF COURSE, SHE IS -- YOU KNOW, SHE HAS A HEALTH CARE BACKGROUND AND IS ALL FOR THE VACCINE.

BUT SHE SAID THE REASON WE WANT THIS BASED ON HER SOME REALLY, REALLY SAD AND EVIL HISTORY OF EXPERIMENT ASSIGNINGS WITH SHOTS AND BLACK PEOPLE AND SHOTS AND WHATEVER.

PASSED THROUGH GENERATIONS.

THERE IS A BIT OF RELUCTANCE PERHAPS TO HAVE THAT NEEDLE STUCK IN YOUR ARM.

>> YEAH, ESPECIALLY DOWN SOUTH THERE HAS BEEN STUDIES THAT SHOW THAT AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN SOUTHERN STATES ARE EVEN MORE RELUCTANTANT THAN AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN THE NORTH.

GENE KREBS YOU LIVE OUT IN THE EASTERN OHIO RIGHT NOW.

WHAT'S THE VACCINE SITUATION OUT THERE?

IS IT HARD FOR FOLKS ON OUTSKIRTS OF COUNTIES TO GET IN THEY TEND TO USE CARS OUT THERE.

WHAT'S THE SITUATION IN RURAL OHIO.

>> PROBABLY THE BIGGEST IMPEDIMENT IS INTERNET SPEED.

I THINK THAT'S THE NUMBER ONE THING.

THERE'S BEEN A FAIR NUMBER OF ROLE MODELS LACKING IN THE RURAL COMMUNITY ALSO WHO SAY YOU NEED TO GO AHEAD AND TAKE IT.

I DON'T FOLLOW COUNTRY WESTERN MUSIC.

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BUT THE COUNTRY WESTERN MUSIC STARS SHOULD TAKE THE VACCINE.

AND THE PROBLEM OF THE URBAN COMMUNITY, WE MISSED THE BOAT.

WE SHOULD HAVE DECLARED THEM TO BE A ESSENTIAL WORKERS.

APPEAR.

AND THEN PEOPLE OF RELIGION, THE RABBI, PRIESTS, MULLAS WOULD HAVE GOTTEN VACCINATED EARLY ON.

THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN TO THE COMMUNITIES THE SITUATION THAT, HEY, IT WORKS.

AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S A CALL TO VACCINATE THE BASKETBALL PLAYERS.

I'M LIKE, GOD, NO, DON'T PUT THEM AT THE TOP OF THE LINE.

THAT HAS NO RELEVANCE TO THE ORDINARY PERSON.

>> IF IT'S AFRICAN-AMERICANS WHO ARE SKEPTICAL LIKE YOU SAW EARLY ON IT WAS INTENTIONAL THAT GOVERNOR DEWINE TO GET THE FIRST SHOTS TO DRIVE HOME -- THE RESEARCH SHOWS THIS IS SAFE AND EVERYONE SHOULD GET VACCINATED.

LEARNING ALL THE LESSONS FOR THE NEXT TIME IT'S A PANDEMIC.

HOPEFULLY SOMEBODY IS WRITING THIS ALL DOWN.

ANYWAY IT'S STATE BUDGET SEASON EVERY TWO YEARS LAWMAKERS DECIDE HOW TO SPEND OHIOANS TAX DOLLARS THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

$75 BILLION OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS.

GOVERNOR DEWINE'S BUDGET INCLUDES $1 BILLION FOR COVID RELIEF, HELP FOR SMALL BUSINESSES, BARS, RESTAURANTS, HOTELS, ENTERTAINMENT VENUES.

AND THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY, AS GENE MENTIONED TO HELP EXPAND BROADBAND ACCESS WHICH CONTINUES TO BE A PROBLEM.

DARREL.

MUCH OF THE HELP IS TO BUSINESSES.

NOT AS MUCH HELP FOR INDIVIDUALS IN THE PROPOSAL.

IS THE GOVERNOR HOPING THE FEDS TAKE CARE OF INDIVIDUALS AND HE WANTS TO TAKE CARE OF THE BUSINESSES WHICH WILL FILTER DOWN TO EMPLOYEES.

>> THAT COULD BE IT.

OUR SAVINGS IS FEDERAL MONEY FROM MEDICAID.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A BIG HUE AND CREW FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY SMALL BUSINESSES ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS WHOLE PANDEMIC.

IN THE RUN SQUAWKING ABOUT SHUTTING DOWN, HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO MAKE A LIVING, A GO OF IT, WITH THE CLIENTAL, EVEN THE POTENTIAL WITH MASKS IT'S SOME FRACTION OF WHAT IT WAS BEFORE.

THAT'S NOT EVEN ACCOUNTING FOLKS WHO HARDLY GO OUT ANYMORE UNTIL THEY GET THE VACCINE IN THEIR ARMS.

SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY PART OF IT.

IT'S A $75 BILLION, WITH A B, BUDGET.

SO THERE IS A LITTLE SOMETHING FOR EVERYONE.

THE BIG PICTURE IS, A LOT OF FOLKS WERE EXPECTING KIND OF DISASTER IN THIS BUDGET BECAUSE, WELL OF COURSE THEY ARE NOT PAYING TAXES AND WHAT HAVE YOU, EXCEPT FOR A COUPLE OF STATES, PEOPLE WEREN'T BUYING CARS.

AND THAT TAX SHORT ANNUAL.

BUT BETWEEN STATE FUNDING AND SOME GOOD BUDGETING DECISIONS, IT WASN'T REALLY THAT ROUGH.

THEY ARE DOING THIS WITHOUT TOUCHING THE RAINY DAY FUND.

I COULDN'T HAVE FORESEEN THIS AT ALL.

AND TALKING ABOUT BODYCAMS.

THERE IS $10 MILLION FOR BODY CAMS.

BROADBAND, THAT'S ALMOST 300 MILLION.

AND NO TAX CUTS.

BUT NO TAX INCREASES.

WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS -- THE GOVERNOR CAN MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE FOR VEHICLE REGISTRATION AND TITLE FEES.

>> THE DMV THAT'S ALWAYS A SAFE BET FOR A POLITICIAN.

GENE KREBS WE MENTIONED EARLIER, THE BROADBAND IS A HUGE ISSUE.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS.

EXPANDING THIS IN RURAL AREAS.

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THE TIME IT GETS DONE?

>> THIS IS THE TIME IT GETS PARTIALLY DONE.

THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY IS ENOUGH TO DO SOME.

I WOULD GO OUT AND A LIMB AND MAKE A PREDICTION.

MUCH LIKE THE ROARING 20s.

AND THE 1900s.

WE'RE ABOUT TO -- AS COVID BEGINS TO LEAVE WE APPROACH BOTH A COMBINATION OF VACCINE AND HERD IMMUNITY.

UNFORTUNATELY -- AND EVERYTHING.

BUT IF HE IS LOOKING AT THAT BILLION DOLLARS HE HAS TO FOR COVID RELIEF.

AND 2030 WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THAT MONEY SPUN OAF TO MORE BROADBAND, MAYBE MORE EDUCATION.

MAYBE OTHER PROGRAMS THAT WILL HELP WITH MINORITY IN THE URBAN AREAS.

WE MAY SEE SOME OF THIS COME THROUGH.

I HAVE A LONG HISTORY OF GOING OUT ON A LIMB AND HAVING IT GET CHOPPED OFF ON THIS SHOW >> ISN'T IT AMAZING WE WERE ALL THOUGHT HE WAS RAZE CRAZY FOR NOT TAPPING INTO THE RAINY DAY FUND LAST SPRING.

HE STILL HASN'T HAD TO.

THE GOVERNOR ALSO WANTS TO SPEND $50 MILLION TO MARKET OHIO TO PEOPLE LIVING ON THE EAST AND WEST COAST.

THE GOAL, TO GET THEM TO MOVE TO OHIO.

HERE'S HIS OPENING PITCH.

OHIO IS A WELCOMING PLACE.

>> IT'S A PROGRESSIVE STATE.

IT'S A STATE THAT HAS ITS FISCAL HOUSE IN ORDER.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TAXES -- TAX ATTENTION BEING RAISED.

BUT IT'S ALSO A QUESTION OF THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE WE'RE SEEING OUR CITIES BECOME MORE DIVERSE.

IF YOU LOOK AT COLUMBUS, OHIO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE IS A VERY DIVERSE COMMUNITY.

>> MORGAN HOPPER YOU MOVED AWAY TO GO TO COLLEGE AND THEN CAME BACK.

YOU LIVED IN WASHINGTON, D.C. A WHILE.

DID YOU RETURN TO OHIO BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR FISCAL HOUSE IN ORDER?

>> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS ONE OF THE FACTORS.

I LIKED IMBEING THE ONE TO SAYS IN A PROCESSINGIVE PLACE.

THE PERSON SIGNED IN LAW WHO WHO MASS OVERSEEN A PARTY LIMITING ABORTION RIGHTS.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHERE HE IS GETTING THAT.

BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT IS SAYING THAT RURAL COST OF LIVING AND AFFORDABLE FOR WHOM, RIGHT GOING BACK TO ONE OF THE TAX POINTS.

HE IS NOT INCREASING TAXES BUT HE IS INCREASING FEES.

THOSE ARE REGRESSIVE FORMS OF A PASSING COSTS TO WORKING PEOPLE.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT NO ONE REALLY TAKES HIM AT HIS WORD THAT THIS IS A PROGRESSIVE PLACE.

YES, HE IS MANAGING A BUDGET BUT ALSO WE SEE AN INCREASING BURDEN ON REGULAR FOLKS.

AND THIS -- I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE MOST AFFORDABLE PLACE TO BE.

IT'S GETTING HARDER EVERY DAY.

>> DARREL DO WE KNOW THE DETAILS?

IS THIS GOING TO BE ADS IN L.A., NEW YORK, PHILADELPHIA AND SAN FRANCISCO?

OR IS HE GOING TO DO WHAT OTHER CITIES HAVES DONE, LIKE TOPEKA KANSAS, THEY ARE MOVING $10,000 FOR HOUSING INCENTIVE.

IF YOU MOVE INTO TOPEKA AND RENT AN AMOUNT.

$15,000 IF YOU BUY A HOME.

IS THE STATE GOING TO DO THAT, KIND OF INCENTIVES FOR INDIVIDUALS TO MOVE TO OHIO AND WORK REMOTELY FROM HERE OR WORK FOR AN OHIO COMPANY HERE.

>> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

MIKE, I GUESS I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO HIRE YOU OR ME AND WE'D DO IT A MILLION APIECE.

YOU GO TO ONE COAST I'LL DO THE OTHER ONE.

AND HEY COME OUT TO OHIO.

THERE'S LOTS OF THINGS.

AND COMMUNITIES HAVE GOTTEN QUITE CREATIVE.

BUT MORGAN HIT IT ON THE NUT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.

THE USE OF THE TERM PROGRESSIVE.

THE TO BE CALLED PROGRESSIVE I GUESS BECAUSE LIBERAL HAS GONE OUT OF FASHION WHATEVER.

PROGRESSIVE HAS POLITICAL CONNOTATIONS.

AND WHETHER YOU LOVE BEING A PROGRESSIVE OR CAN'T STAND PROGRESSIVES, OHIO BY MOST STANDARDS IS NOT THERE POLITICALLY.

>> YEAH.

>> I THINK I KNOW WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY.

BUT, FIRST, GET SOME MARKING WRITERS THERE.

>> I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE SEE THAT MUCH FOR THE HOUSING.

>> THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY.

>> WE LOVE THE EVOLUTION BUT HAVE TO SEE THE PLAN.

>> THE LAST TOPIC THE POTENTIAL RACE FOR ROB PORTMAN'S SOON TO BE OPEN SENATE SEAT NARROWING.

DOWN TO 15 POTENTIAL CANDIDATES DAVE YOST SAYS HE IS OUT.

FORMER MAYOR COLUMBUS MAYOR MICHAEL COLEMAN IS PASSING.

IT LOOKS LIKE TIM RYAN IS MOVING TOWARDS A RUN.

IF HE DOES, HE MAY HAVE TO FACE A RUN AGAINST A POPULAR DEMOCRAT IN A PRIMARY OFFER MONTHS OF RUMORS SHE WAS EYEING A LIFE IN POLITICS.

AMY ACTON IS A POSSIBLE CANDIDATE.

SHE QUIT HER JOB AT THE COLUMBUS FOUNDATION TO CONSIDER A RUN FOR THE U.S. SENATE.

GENE KREBS, IF YOU QUIT YOUR JOB AS JANE INTIMIDATEN DID AS HEAD OF THE GOP IN OHIO, YOU TEND TO THINK YOU'RE RUNNING FOR SOMETHING, RIGHT?

>> YEAH, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE THESE PEOPLE THROW THEIR HATS IN THE RING.

BUT THE ONE THING, I DO YOUNG PEOPLE TWO OR THREE TIMES A YEAR SAYING I'M LOOKING TO GET IN POLITICS AND RUN FOR X OFFICE.

THE FIRST THING I TELL THEM IS THIS, IS AS YOU LIVE -- MOVE UP THE FOOD CHAIN IN POLITICS, YOUR RIGHTS TO PRIVACY BECOME LESS AND YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS BECOME LESS.

AND I'M AFRAID THAT FOR SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO HAVE NEVER RUN BEFORE, ESPECIALLY ON A STATEWIDE STAGE, IT'S NOT JUST ONE STEP UP IT'S TO A FACTOR OF TEN.

BUT I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO SEE THINGS THAT WERE NOT A PROBLEM WILL BECOME A PROBLEM.

AND I THINK THAT FOR EXAMPLE, TIM RYAN OUT OF YOUNGSTOWN.

RUNS FOR STATEWIDE OFFICE, AND THE REPUBLICANS DRAWING UP THE LINES, GIVING A -- AND I THINK IT MAY BE PART OF THAT, BECAUSE TIM SHOULD NOT -- IF TIM WAS CALL ME UP I WOULD SAY NO BE.

>> JANE TIM KIN, SHE HAS NEVER RUN STATE WTD BEFORE.

>> SHE HAS THE SAME ISSUES, THERE ARE THINGS I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THEY ARE OR HOW THEY ARE.

BUT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO COME OUT TO A DEGREE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE SIMPLY ARE NOT COUNTING THAT AS THEY DO THESE THINGS.

SHE STOPPED CERTAIN THINGS.

SHE'S GOT CERTAIN ADVANTAGES.

AND IF SHE GETS AN ENDORSEMENT FROM CHUCK, LET'S SAY THAT MAKES HER THE PROBABLE TO WIN IN THE PRIMARY.

IT DOESN'T HELP HER IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

WE HAVE ALL THAT PLAYING OFF EACH OTHER.

>> MORGAN HOPPER ARE DEMOCRATS TO BE EXCITED FOR AMY ACTON.

>> ONE DEMOCRATS WILL BE MORE EXCITED TO SEE A COMPETITIVE PRIMARY.

I'M LOOKING FOR THE NEW PARTY CHAIR TO ENCOURAGE THAT.

THAT WE HAVE A COMPETITIVE RACE THAT MAKES PEOPLE ENGAGED EARLY, RIGHT, AND PAY ATTENTION.

AND I THINK AMY ACTON BEING PART OF THAT IS A GOOD SIGN.

AND TIM RYAN ALSO SHOWING SIGNS OF BEING INTERESTED IS GOOD AS WELL.

THE OTHER THING THAT I REALLY NEED TO FOCUSED ON AS A PARTY IS WINNING.

THE TRADITIONAL WAY OF DOING THINGS AS A DEMOCRAT IS NOT WORKING IN THIS STATE.

WE HAVE SEEN IT TIME AND AGAIN.

SAW IT IN THE GENERAL ELECTION WITH BIDEN'S RESULTS.

SO I'M HOPING TO ALSO SEE CANDIDATES EMBRACING NEW STRATEGIES, NON-TRADITIONAL CANDIDATES AND ALSO APPEALING TO BLACK VOTERS.

>> DARREL, JUST A FEW SECONDS LEFT.

BUT DR. ACTIN -- SHE SEEMS TO HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF CONNIE SCHULTZ.

SHERROD BROWN'S WIFE IS SCHULTZ GOING RED OR IS ACTIN HER PICK AS WELL.

>> I CAN'T BELIEVE SHERROD IS WEIGHING IN ANY OFFICIAL CAPACITY.

TIM RYAN APPEARS TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF HILLARY CLINTON.

WE COULD HAVE THE HEAVYWEIGHT SURROGATE.

AND I GOT TO THINK JANE TIMKIN SHE BECAME CHAIR OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP.

SHE IS VERY TIED TO THE TRUMP PEOPLE.

I THINK IF SHE IS GETTING -- WELL SHE STEPPED DOWN.

IF SHE GETS IN THAT RACE DONALD TRUMP IS GETTING BEHIND HER.

>> AND HE DID WELL IN OHIO.

>> OVT PARDONING SHOTS.

GENE KREBS UP FIRST.

>> I HAVE NOT BEEN THE BASHER SINCE MARCH 5th.

BECAUSE UNLIKE THE KANSAS CITY CHIEFS.

I KNOW BASHER SHOPS IS WHERE YOU GET COVID.

EXACT FOUR WEEKS AND ONE DAY AFTER MY SECOND COVID SHOT I PLAN ON VISITING MY BARBER AND GETTING THIS TAKEN CARE OF.

>> THAT WILL BE DISAPPOINTING FOR THE VIEWERS.

MORGAN HOPPER.

>> WELL, I MIGHT JOIN GENE FOR A HAIRCUT.

BUT I WANT TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE OTHER 50,000 KIDS WHO LEFT THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM STATEWIDE.

PRIVATE SCHOOLS, DROPPING OUT OF SCHOOL ALTOGETHER.

ANOTHER THING TO JUST PUT ON THE STATE RADAR, WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE KIDS AND DEVELOP A PLAN TO GET THEM BACK INTO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

>> AND DARREL ROELAND YOUR FINAL THOUGHT.

>> MANAGER MORGAN SET UP A PERFECT SEGUE.

THE BIGGEST ISSUE IN THE STATE BUDGET IS SCHOOL FUNDING.

THE OLD PATERSON PLAN HAS BEEN REINTRODUCED.

THE HOUSE IS TALKING ABOUT PASSING IT AGAIN LIKE LAST TIME.

THE SENATE PROMISES TO COME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE TAKING CARE OF THE PRIVATE SCHOOLS, THE CHARTER SCHOOLS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

WE'LL SEE HOW THEY FIX.

>> FINAL THOUGHT NEW GEMT IN THE LARRY HOURLDSER, A TOP MONEY GROUP INDICTED MORE BAD NEWS FOR DARK MONEY HERE IN OHIO.

THAT'S "COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD" THIS WEEK.

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FOR THE CREW, PANEL, I'M MIKE THOMPSON.

HAVE A GOOD WEEK.