>>> WELCOME TO COLUMBUS ON THE RECORD.

ONE THING IS CLEAR AS WE APPROACH THE FINAL WEEK OF THE CAMPAIGN.

WE HAVE NO IDEA, WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW THIS WILL TURN OUT.

THE POLLS ARE CLEAR.

THE RACE FOR PRESIDENT IS BASICALLY TIED NATIONALLY AND IN EACH OF THE SEVEN IDENTIFIED SWING STATES.

HERE IN OHIO, FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP MAINTAINS THE SEVEN POINT LEAD HE HAS HAD OVER VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS ALL SUMMER LONG.

5% REMAIN UNDECIDED.

THIS WEEK WHEN NOT ADMIRING DEAD GOLFERS, TRUMP TRIED TO FOCUS ON THE ECONOMY AND INFLATION.

HARRIS STILL DECLINED TO SEPARATE HERSELF FROM JOE BIDEN.

MESSAGE THAT TRUMP IS UNFIT FOR OFFICE AND DANGROUS.

MIKE MILLER, YOU ARE THE TARGET VOTER THAT KAMALA HARRIS IS GOING FOR.

STAUNCHLY CONSERVATIVE FOLKS THAT ARE SKEPTICAL OF TRUMP, IS THE MESSAGE WORKING?

>> IF YOU ARE ASKING ME HOW I LOADED --YEAH.

I VOTED FOR THE LIBERTARIAN.

I HAVE NEVER VOTED FOR TRUMP AND I CANNOT VOTE FOR TRUMP.

THAT IS FOR PRESIDENT.

ON OTHER TICKETS I VOTE DIFFERENT WAYS BUT, I'M SURPRISED THAT 5% ARE UNDECIDED.

I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MORE.

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK TRUMP WAS 2012, WAS IT, 2016, I THINK 2016 AND 2020 HE CARRIED OHIO SO, I IMAGINE SOME OF THE VOTERS ON THESE POLLS ARE NOT PARTICULARLY HONEST WITH PEOPLE.

I GO BACK TO TOM BRADLEY YEARS AGO AND HE WAS A MAYOR THAT WAS VERY WELL THOUGHT OFF.

I FORGET WHAT HE RAN FOR.

GOVERNOR OR SENATOR.

IN NOVEMBER, HE LOST.

HE WAS UP 3% AND HE LOST BY 3% AND HE CALLED IT THE BRADLEY EFFECT.

HE INTERVIEWED PEOPLE AND HE SAID I COULD NOT TELL YOU I WAS GOING TO VOTE FOR RADLEY BECAUSE I WOULD BE CALLED A RACIST.

I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF TRUMP PEOPLE LIKE THAT THAT DON'T WANT TO SAY WHO THEY ARE VOTING FOR BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRAID OF THE REACTION.

>> SO, THE CNN TOWNHALL IT OBVIOUS.

SHE SAID HE IS A FASCIST.

DONALD TRUMP IS A FASCIST.

THAT WAS REALLY THE ONLY QUESTION SHE ANSWERED DIRECTLY ALL NIGHT.

IT DO YOU THINK HE IS A FASCIST?

THAT IS WHAT SHE IS GOING FOR.

FITNESS FOR OFFICE.

>> YOU KNOW, BACK IN THE 2020 RACE, THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT JOE BIDEN WAS DOING.

BASICALLY THAT TRUMP WAS NOT FIT FOR OFFICE AND WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING TO RIGHT THE SHIP.

SHE IS CONTINUING WITH THAT AND AS A FRUSTRATED DEMOCRAT, I AM FRUSTRATED BECAUSE I GUESS I AM SHOCKED, DISAPPOINTED THAT SO MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE WILLING TO CONSIDER SOMEBODY LIKE DONALD TRUMP.

FORGET THE CONVICTIONS.

FORGET ANYTHING.

IF IT WERE UP TO ME I THINK WHAT I WOULD DO, AS A DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT, IS TO AND THE OUTRAGEOUS THINGS THAT HE SAYS.

THAT IS A LEVEL OF FRUSTRATION THAT FOR ME, THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.

>> WE SEE THAT KAMALA HARRIS IS DOING AN EVENT AT THE ELLIPSE AND SHE HAS BEEN PLAYING VIDEO OF SOME THINGS THAT HE SAID AND I IMAGINE SHE WILL TRY TO REMIND PEOPLE OF JANUARY 6 AT THAT EVENT.

>> ONE THING I HAVE BEEN CURIOUS THROUGHOUT THE CYCLE, IS THERE AN EXPOSURE PROBLEM WITH THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TRUMP IS?

OR ARE THERE PEOPLE STILL RECEIVING NEW INFORMATION AND DEVELOPING NEW OPINIONS?

I AM SKEPTICAL OF THE LETTER.

I DON'T THINK WE WILL HAVE AN OCTOBER SURPRISED.

THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST SCRUTINIZED PEOPLE IN AMERICAN HISTORY SO, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK IT IS MORE OF A GAME OF WHO SHOWS UP TO VOTE.

DONALD TRUMP IS SO BIG ON YOUNG MEN AND IF YOU ASK FOR THE MOST UNRELIABLE VOTERS ARE, IT WOULD WEIRDO THAT VOTED.

>> THE ECONOMY IS STILL THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE.

THE ECONOMY AND INFLATION ARE THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE.

HARRIS HAS CLOSED THAT GAP AND THAT IS WHY PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO OVERLOOK THE THINGS THEY DON'T LIKE ABOUT TRUMP BECAUSE THE ECONOMY WAS BETTER WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT.

>> IT IS HARD TO SAY BECAUSE I THINK SO MUCH OF THE ECONOMY AND PEOPLES OPINION ON IT IS PERSONAL.

LIKE ARE YOU PERSONALLY FINANCIALLY DOING WELL?

THAT HAS A LOT OF FACTORS DEPENDING ON STATE AND FEDERAL POLICY BUT IT IS ALWAYS THE ONE THAT IS ON THE TOP OF THE LIST, SO WE WILL SEE.

THE THING THAT I THOUGHT THAT IS REALLY INTERESTING IS THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN AND THE BITING CAMPAIGN.

BIDEN WAS FOCUSED ON MAKING TRUMP, PAINTING HIM AS A THREAT TO DEMOCRACY AND MAKING HIM BIGGER WHEREAS HARRIS'S CAMPAIGN IS TRYING TO MAKE HIM LOOK SMALLER OR SILLY OR SO WE WILL SEE WHICH APPROACHES THE RIGHT ONE.

>> 11 DAYS TO GO AS OF FRIDAY.

>> I WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING.

AS A FOLLOW-UP, MY WIFE HAS BEEN DOING A PHENOMENAL AMOUNT OF PHONE CALLING FOR THE BROWN CAMPAIGN AS WELL AS THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN.

THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN IS HAVING HER CALLED TO THE SWING STATES AND THE ONE THING THAT SHE SAYS THAT ALMOST EVERY REPUBLICAN SHE GETS ON THE PHONE IS ANGRY.

AND THEY WANT TO CHALLENGE THE CALLER.

SHE IS NOT GETTING THAT, I'M NOT GETTING THAT SAME VIBE FROM DEMOCRATS.

IT DEMOCRATS MIGHT BE SCARED BUT THEY ARE NOT ANGRY.

>> ANGRY ABOUT WHAT?

>> THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION.

I THINK THEY ARE ANGRY ABOUT FANTASIES RELATED TO IMMIGRATION.

THEY ARE ANGRY ABOUT THE ECONOMY AND INFLATION IS WHAT THEY ARE ANGRY ABOUT.

ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, IN MY VIEW, IS NOTHING BUT NEVERTHELESS THEY ARE ANGRY ABOUT IT.

>> THE RACE FOR U.S. SENATE IN OHIO CONTINUES TO BE A BATTLE OF THE EXTREMES.

OR WE SHOULD SAY THE BATTLE BETWEEN TWO CANDIDATES CALLING EACH OTHER EXTREME.

BERNIE MORENO CALLS SENATOR SHERROD BROWN EXTREME FOR HIS POSITIONS ON ABORTION AND TRANSGENDER RIGHTS.

BROWN CALLS HIS REPUBLICAN CHALLENGER EXTREME FOR HIS POSITION ON ABORTION RIGHTS.

THE LATEST POLL OUT FROM BOWLING GREEN STATE UNIVERSITY SHOWS BROWN WITH A NARROW TWO POINT LEAD.

47% TO 45% WITH 7% UNDECIDED.

JAKE ZUCKERMAN, IS THIS CLOSE TO WHAT OTHER POLLS HAVE HAD?

IT WAS FOR LAST MONTH AND NOW IT IS TWO.

IS THERE ANY INDICATION THAT REPUBLICANS ARE COMING HOME LIKE THEY DID WITH J.D.

VANCE?

>> I WOULD SAY THAT THE POLLS ARE TIGHTENING BUT I DON'T FIND A LOT OF VALUE IN THEM.

I DON'T THINK THEY INFORMED THE INDIVIDUAL VOTER OR THE VOTERS AT LARGE.

WHAT I THINK WOULD INFORM VOTERS THAT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN IS A DEBATE.

FRED STORY IS --IT IS NOT EVEN A CLEAR CULPRIT OF WHO BOTH CANDIDATES INSIST THEY WANT TO DEBATE THAT THIS HAS BEEN A SHOCKINGLY LOW INFORMATION CONTEST BETWEEN THESE TWO.

YOU HAVE A MENTIONED ALL OF THE ISSUES.

ABORTION AND THAT IS ABOUT THE EXTENT OF THE DISCOURSE.

NOBODY HAS REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO PUT THE SCREWS TO THEM BOTH AND HAVE THEM EXPLAIN THEMSELVES.

>> JESSIE BALMERT, SHERROD BROWN IS GOING AFTER BERNIE MORENO ON THE ABORTION ISSUE.

HE HAS TRIED TO REAFFIRM HIS NEW POSITION THAT HE IS FOR RESTRICTIONS AFTER 15 WEEKS WITH EXCEPTIONS.

SHOULD HE HAVE ADDRESSED THAT EARLIER?

WHAT IS THE THINKING THERE?

>> IT IS HARD BECAUSE OHIOANS APPROVED THE ABORTION RIGHTS INITIATIVE LAST YEAR.

IT IS REALLY NOT A WINNING ISSUE FOR REPUBLICANS IN THE WAY THAT IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.

UK ARE SEEING CANDIDATES AND DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM IT ON THE GOP SIDE AND SAY DIFFERENT THINGS.

FOR EXAMPLE, BERNIE MORENO OPPOSED ISSUE ONE LAST YEAR BUT NOW YOU ARE SEEING THINGS THAT HE IS PRESENTING HIMSELF AS MORE MODERATE.

THEN THERE WAS THIS AUDIO THAT CAME OUT TALKING ABOUT 50-YEAR- OLD WOMEN AND WHETHER THIS IS AN ISSUE FOR THEM.

SO THAT IS BROWN'S CAMPAIGN EFFORT.

THIS IS A TOP ISSUE ON PEOPLES LIST.

>> I THINK IN THE BOWLING GREEN POOL IT RANKED FOURTH UNDER ECONOMY, INFLATION, AND THREATS TO THE MICRO SEE.

>> AN OBSERVATION.

THE INTERESTING THING IS TRUMP ADVANCES THIS VAGUE POPULACE NOTION OF AMERICA FIRST, ME FIRST, THAT KIND OF A THING.

BROWN, IN THE PARTICULAR RACE, HE IS THE POPULACE.

HE HAS A TRACK RECORD WHERE HE HAS CONSISTENTLY VOTED AGAINST LEGISLATION THAT HAS WORKED TOWARDS THE INSECURITY WITH THE AMERICAN WORKER.

THE TRADE BILLS AND THAT SORT OF THING.

HE LIKES PROTECTIONIST TYPE LEGISLATION.

I THINK THAT IS THE FACTOR THAT MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR MIDDLE OF THE ROAD REPUBLICANS TO VOTE AGAINST HIM AND MAYBE REPUBLICANS DON'T LIKE TRUMP ALL THAT MUCH TO BEGIN WITH.

I AGREE WITH YOU, NEVERTHELESS, I THINK BROWN IS AHEAD.

>> 37% OF PEOPLE SURVEYED HAVE >> THAT IS PRETTY LOW BUT, HE IS STILL RELATIVELY UNKNOWN IN THE STATE.

>> I THINK THIS ABORTION THING IS A TROJAN HORSE.

DEMOCRATS DO WELL WITH IT.

LET'S TALK RATIONALLY.

HE IS GETTING BEAT UP BECAUSE HE SAYS HE IS OPPOSED TO IT.

NOT CHANGING OHIO LAW.

BUT THEY SAY, YOU WILL HAVE A NATIONAL ABORTION LAW.

CAN YOU THINK OF ONE SENATOR OR CONGRESSMAN THAT WOULD VOTE FOR THAT?

EVERY STATE THAT I AM AWARE OF THAT HAD A VOTE ON IT HAS PASSED IT.

OHIO IS NOT A LIBERAL STATE.

LOOK AT KANSAS.

WHO WOULD DO THAT?

BUT OVER AND OVER AGAIN, TO ME, IN THE REAL WORLD, WITH ANYTHING.

ONE PROBLEM IS, SHERROD HAS RUN THREE TIMES.

THIS IS HIS FOURTH.

SO THAT IS 24, 18, 12, AND SIX.

HE IS LOOKING AT SOMEBODY WHO WHO HAS WON TWICE BY EIGHT POINTS AND I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU ON THE POOL.

SEVEN, THAT IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT.

HE IS GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A NUMBER OF REPUBLICANS SWITCH THEIR VOTE FOR TRUMP BUT NOT VOTE FOR MORENO AND I DON'T KNOW IF HE CAN DO THAT.

>> --THAT HE WILL VOTE FOR SHERROD BROWN.

WEATHER ISSUE ONE PASSES ARE NOT COULD COME DOWN TO THE BALLOT LANGUAGE.

THE MEASURE WOULD CHANGE THE STATE'S CONSTITUION TO CREATE A 15 MEMBER INDEPENDENT COMMISSION TO DRAW LEGISLATIVE AND CONGRESSION DISTRICT MAPS.

SUPPORTERS SAY IT WILL ELIMINATE PARTISAN GERRYMANDERING WHICH HAS GIVEN REPUBLICANS SUPER MAJORITIES AT THE STATEHOUSE.

OPPONENTS SAY PASSAGE WILL RESULT IN A DIFFERENT KIND OF GERRYMANDERING.

ONE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE AMENDMENT.

THE BOWLING GREEN POLL HAS ISSUE ONE WAY AHEAD.

57% TO 34% WITH 9% UNSURE.

BUT, THAT POLL DID NOT USE THE BALLOT LANGUAGE VOTERS WILL SEE AND THE TEXT BASICALLY ARUGES THE OPPONENTS' CASE.

AND THERE ARE REPORTS SOME VOTERS ARE CONFUSED WHEN THEY READ THE BALLOT.

JESSIE BALMERT, HOW WORRIED ARE SUPPORTERS OF ISSUE ONE ABOUT THIS?

>> I DON'T THINK THEY ARE HAPPY ABOUT THE BALLOT LANGUAGE THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE REQUIRES THAT GERRYMANDERING WHERE PROPONENTS WOULD SAY THEY ARE DOING THE EXACT OPPOSITE.

THE QUESTION IS, ARE PEOPLE GOING TO THE POLLS KNOWING HOW THEY ARE GOING TO VOTE ON ISSUE ONE?

IF THAT IS THE CASE, WHICH WAS THE CASE WITH THE ABORTION RIGHTS AMENDMENT LAST YEAR, I DON'T THINK THE BALLOT LANGUAGE WILL PAY --PLAY A TREMENDOUS ROLE IN THE OUTCOME.

THE HEART OF THE ISSUE IS, DO YOU WANT TO SWAP OUT THIS POLITICIAN OR ELECTED OFFICIAL PANEL FOR A GROUP OF CITIZENS?

DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE WAY THE PROCESS IS DONE?

OR DO YOU LIKE THE WAY WE ARE DOING IT AND KEEP IT THE SAME?

>> OHIOANS WANT TO CHANGE HOW THINGS ARE DONE WHEN THEY ARE MEANT.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT REDISTRICTING AMENDMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

>> MIKE, ON THIS ISSUE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A CHANGE ON THE BALLOT LANGUAGE.

I DOUBT IF ONE VOTER IN 100 HAS READ IT.

WE KNOW THAT DEMOCRATS ARE IN FAVOR AND REPUBLICANS ARE AGAINST IT.

I THINK THEY WILL WIN EASILY.

IT WILL BE LIKE ABORTION AND LEGALIZING MARIJUANA.

ISSUE ONE WILL PASS WITHOUT A PROBLEM WHATSOEVER.

NOBODY IS GOING TO READ IT.

>> MIKE JUST SAID SOMETHING REALLY SMART AND THAT IS HE IS READING THE TRENDS IN OHIO AND NATIONALLY.

THERE ARE JUST SOME THINGS MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.

IT FITS ABORTION RIGHTS AND MARIJUANA.

I KNOW THAT MARIJUANA WOULD BE A SLAMDUNK AND THIS JUST FEELS RIGHT.

IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THE ONE IN MICHIGAN AND IT HAS WORKED OKAY.

IT IS --IF THE DEMOCRATS ARE IN POWER, THE DEMOCRATS WOULD BE AGAINST IT.

I AM REALISTIC ENOUGH TO KNOW THAT IF IT --IT WORKED IN 2010 BUT NEVERTHELESS, I THINK WE ARE IN A TIME NATIONWIDE THAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING GERRYMANDERING IS CAUSING PROBLEMS.

>> $39 MILLION IS HOW MUCH ONE SIDE HAS RAISED FOR THIS ISSUE.

A LOT OF IT DID NOT COME FROM OHIO.

>> ON THE MONEY PART, WHERE IT IS COMING FROM, THERE IS A REALITY IN AMERICAN ELECTIONS THAT UNLESS YOU LIVE IN NEW YORK OR CALIFORNIA, THE MONEY IS COMING FROM NEW YORK CALIFORNIA.

WE ARE ALL FUNDED BY OUT-OF- STATE BILLIONAIRES.

>> THAT SHOWS NATIONAL CONCERN FOR THE ISSUE OR MOTIVATION FOR THE ISSUE IS THIS IMPACTS WHO IS IN CONGRESS OR IN DC?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

YOU CAN SEE THE BALLOT LANGUAGE IS SOMETHING TO OVERCOME AND YOU NEED TO OVERCOME THAT THROUGH EDUCATION.

NO ONE IS READING 13,000 WORDS.

YOU NEED TO TELL THEM SUCCINCTLY WHAT IS IN AN INHERENTLY 13,000 CONFUSING AMENDMENT.

YOU NEED MONEY TO DO THAT.

ONE THING THAT IS INTERESTING IS WE WILL HAVE A NATURAL EXPERIENCE.

DOES WARPING THE BALLOT LANGUAGE MATTER?

--?

SOME DON'T THINK POLITICIANS SHOULD BE DRAWING THE LINES BUT WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO WHEN THE REALITY OF THE FUNCTION OF THE AMENDMENT DOES NOT MATCH THE LANGUAGE?

WE HAVE A NIFTY LITTLE NATURAL EXPERIMENT.

>> AT THE VOTING BOOTH YOU DON'T SEE THE LANGUAGE UNLESS YOU CLICK ON A THING TO SEE IT.

ALL YOU SEE IS THE HEADLINE.

SO, YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE EXTRA STEP TO EVEN SEE THE LANGUAGE AND HOW MANY VOTERS WILL DO THAT?

>>> IMMIGRATION AND IMMIGRANTS HAVE BEEN CENTRAL TO THIS CAMPAIGN.

WHETHER IT'S THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION'S BORDER POLICIES, OVERBLOWN STORIES OF MIGRANT CRIME, FALSE RUMORS ABOUT HAITIANS IN SPRINFIELD AND NOW IT'S NON-CITIZEN VOTING.

ATTORNEY GENERAL DAVE YOST THIS WEEK HELD A NEWS CONFERENCE TO ANNOUNCE THE INDICTMENTS OF SIX LEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHO HE SAYS CAST A TOTAL OF SEVEN ILLEGAL VOTES.

ONE GUY FACES TWO CHARGES.

THE VIOLATIONS OCCURRED BETWEEN 2014 AND 2020.

>> THIS IS A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF CASES.

VOTING IRREGULARITIES LIKE THIS ARE RARE, THEY'RE A SMALL NUMBER.

>> THAT'S AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

IF YOU DO THE MATH, THERE WERE SEVEN CASES ON NON CITIZEN VOTING.

IF YOU COUNT UP ALL OF THE VOTES CAST ALL THOSE ELECTIONS, AT LEAST 19 MILLION VOTES WERE CAST.

THE PROPORTION OF THE VOTE, OR TO PUT IT ANOTHER WAY, FOUR TEN MILLIONTHS OF A PERCENT.

AND IT TURNS OUT ONE OF THE GUYS INDICTED, HE DIED TWO YEARS AGO.

JOE MAS, YOU ARE AN IMMIGRANT.

HOW DO YOU VIEW WHAT IS GOING ON HERE?

>> MAYBE YOU CAN TELL BY MY DEMETER, THIS IS SO OFFENSIVE ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS.

I THINK THAT THERE ARE ELOQUENT ARGUMENTS THAT YOU CAN MAKE RELATIVE TO IMMIGRATION.

BUT, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE HEARING.

WE ARE NOT TALKING ECONOMIC IMPACT.

WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS PEOPLE THAT ARE ALLEGEDLY ARE BERWICK.

OR THAT THEY ARE ALL CRIMINALS OR THAT, AS I HEARD A FEW MINUTES AGO ON THE WAY TO THE STATION, KAMALA HARRIS LET HISPANIC GANGS IN OR IS INVITING THEM IN.

ALL OF THIS IS A LIE.

IT IS JUST A LIE AND HOW PEOPLE CAN LISTEN TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND NOT AT LEAST CHECK IT OUT --LOOK AT YOUR COMPUTER.

WHAT HAPPENED HERE?

IT JUST BAFFLES THE MIND.

>> THERE ARE LEGITIMATE CALLS FOR TIGHTENING UP THE IMMIGRATION SYSTEM AND FIXING THE PROBLEM AND TIGHTENING THE BORDER.

DOES THAT HURT THE CONSERVATIVE SIDE OR THE REPUBLICAN SIDE WHEN THEY RELY ON THIS RATHER THAN THE ARGUMENTS THAT WE NEED TO FIX THIS?

THERE ARE A LOT OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS THAT WANT TO BECOME CITIZENS.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

WHAT JOE SAID, IF A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ACCEPTING THAT.

TO ME, YOU LOOK AT THE FILMS.

THESE FILMS, PEOPLE STORMING IN, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF THEM.

ARIZONA HAD ENORMOUS PROBLEMS.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY ARE CROOKS OR CRIMINALS.

THEY ARE JUST PEOPLE AND IT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM.

JOE BIDEN TRIED TO STOP IT WAY TOO LATE AND TRUMP STOPPED THAT BECAUSE HE DID WANT TO PLAY POLITICS WITH IT.

I THINK IT IS THERE.

I THINK IT IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN AND I AGREE WITH JOE WHAT HE IS SAYING ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS AND GANGS.

THAT IS ABSURD.

BUT LOOK AT ALL OF THE ADS THAT WE HAVE BEEN INUNDATED WITH THE LAST FEW MONTHS.

HOW MANY OF THEM ARE TOTALLY TRUE?

NOT VERY MANY OF THEM.

>> THAT IS WHERE CITIZENS UNITED AND THE UNCHECKED MONEY IS PLAYING A ROLE.

IMMIGRATION POLLS VERY HIGHLY IN OHIO AND IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND FENTANYL COMING IN THROUGH ILLEGAL PORTS OF -- >> THESE SIX PEOPLE WERE GIVEN LEGAL PERMANENT AUTHORIZATION BY THE GOVERNMENT TO LIVE HERE.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH SOME AURORA GANG FROM COLORADO.

THAT IS ALMOST TOTALLY IMMATERIAL.

ONE THING THAT DAVE YOST HAS NOT MADE CLEAR, DID HE KNOW THAT THIS PERSON DIED TWO YEARS AGO?

HE SPENT A LOT OF TIME EXPLAINING THE CONCEPT OF STRICT LIABILITY AND IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THESE PEOPLE KNEW THEY WERE COMMITTING A CRIME.

THE IDEA IS TO STOP PEOPLE WHO CAN'T VOTE FROM VOTING.

THERE WAS NO REACH OUT TO THIS PERSON SAYING, DON'T VOTE.

THAT IS ILLEGAL.

IF THAT HAD HAPPENED THEY WOULD HAVE CAUGHT THAT.

>>> WE END THIS WEEK REMEMBERING AN ICON IN OHIO POLITICS.

JO ANN DAVIDSON DIED FRIDAY AT THE AGE OF 97.

SHE ROSE FROM THE REYNOLDSBURG CITY COUNCIL TO SPEAKER OF THE OHIO HOUSE.

THE ONLY WOMAN TO EVER HOLD THAT POST.

SHE ALSO SERVED AS CO-CHAIR OF THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE.

DURING AND AFTER HER CAREER SHE SERVED AS A MENTOR AND ADVOCATE FOR REPUBLICAN WOMEN LOOKING TO SHE HELPED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE.

MIKE MILLER, HOW WILL YOU REMEMBER HER?

>> I WAS FORTUNATE TO KNOW HER.

WE WERE FRIENDS.

WHEN I THINK OF ALL THAT SHE HAS DONE, EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT SHE HAS DONE A LOT OF THINGS.

I WOULD JUST STRESS THIS, ANYTIME SHE DID ANYTHING SHE WAS A LADY.

SHE WAS IMPECCABLE.

HER MANNERISMS.

SHE NEVER WAS SCREAMING AT PEOPLE LIKE WE DO ALL THE TIME NOW.

SHE WAS A WONDERFUL HUMAN BEING AND SHE HAD A STORIED CAREER AND I AM GOING TO MISS HER AND I KNOW ALL OF HER FRIENDS WILL MISS HER.

>> NO ONE HAD A BAD WORD TO SAY ABOUT HER THAT I CAN RECALL.

>> THAT IS CORRECT.

AS A MATTER OF FACT I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, I HAD A CHANCE TO CROSS PATHS OCCASIONS AND WHAT MIKE SAID IS CORRECT.

I NEVER SAW HER ANGRY.

SHE WAS ALWAYS A LADY.

WE WILL MISS HER AND WE MISS PEOPLE LIKE HER BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE A LOT COMING UP.

>> JESSIE, WHAT ABOUT THE WOMEN THAT SHE HELPED GET TO WHERE THEY ARE NOW?

>> JO ANN DAVIDSON GAVE AN INSTITUTE WHERE SHE WAS HELPING TO TRAIN PEOPLE FOR WORK AND PUBLIC SERVICE.

A REPUBLICAN SENATOR SAID THAT ONE OF HER PHRASES AND ADVICE WAS THAT THE SIDE DOOR IS A PERFECTLY GOOD DOOR TO COME IN AND I THINK THAT IS A GOOD MESSAGE FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T LOOK LIKE OR THINK THAT THEY LOOK LIKE WHAT A POLITICIAN IS.

>> THERE HAVE BEEN VERY FEW WOMEN THAT HAVE ROSE TO THAT LEVEL EXCEPT FOR HER.

>> YEAH.

AFTER SHE LEFT WE SAW THIS BIG GAME OF PLAYING PORTRAIT AND WHOSE PORTRAIT GETS TO HANG IN THE STATE HOUSE.

I NEVER KNEW HER BUT THAT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE A GAME THAT SHE WOULD PLAY.

>> SHE WAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF PUBLIC SERVANT.

LET'S TIME FOR OUR FINAL OFF THE RECORD PARTING SHOTS.

MIKE MILLER.

>> WE DESCRIBE JO ANN DAVIDSON AND THE KIND OF PERSON THAT SHE WAS, IT CAN BE PUT INTO ONE SENTENCE.

IF LARRY DOESN'T LIKE YOU YOU MUST BE A PRETTY GOOD PERSON.

>> WE ARE WONDERING, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF ISSUE ONE PASSES.

WHAT HAPPENS NOW IS WHAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK WHERE HAMILTON COUNTY JUDGE KRISTI JENKINS SAID IN A RULING THAT THE HEARTBEAT BILL IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

SO WE ASSUME THAT WILL HAPPEN IN ALL COUNTIES.

>> I AM SPEECHLESS THAT LAW GETTING STRUCK IS NEWS.

>> JESSIE.

>> THE OHIO STATE GOVERNMENT HAS AGREED THAT CATS AND DOGS ARE COMPANION ANIMALS.

>> STRAY CATS AND DOGS?

>> DON'T FORGET TO CHECK OUT OUR VOTER GUIDE ON WOSU.ORG.

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